Zoe: Uh huh. River, honey? He's putting the hair away now. River: It'll still be there... waiting.

'Jaynestown'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Toddson - Jun 22, 2010 10:46:12 am PDT #8234 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

ignorance is bliss?

eta: in response to Allyson


tommyrot - Jun 22, 2010 10:46:20 am PDT #8235 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Also, I see this more and more: "Everyone has a right to their opinion."

Yeah. The inability of people to agree on facts is really fucking this country up politically.


Burrell - Jun 22, 2010 10:46:27 am PDT #8236 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I think it's that you work at JPL, Allyson. You don't spend a lot of face time with the "Don't make me think!" crowd.


§ ita § - Jun 22, 2010 10:46:56 am PDT #8237 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Apparently my straight FTM cousin doesn't tell his dates early on that he's trans. I have no idea how I'd deal. I think the whiplash of expectations would be a big deal--is it easier to come to terms with that up front, or to already fall for someone and then process it later?

Then again, I think he's a fairly religious Jew (and, obviously, black), so the whole dating thing is massively complicated.


Gudanov - Jun 22, 2010 10:48:04 am PDT #8238 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

Also I think the media (in least in this country) has gotten lax about trying to report actual facts, preferring to cover the debate instead.


tommyrot - Jun 22, 2010 10:50:31 am PDT #8239 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Also I think the media (in least in this country) has gotten lax about trying to report actual facts, preferring to cover the debate instead.

Yeah, that's a definite problem. Especially when you have two sides to an issue, where one side is mostly right and the other side is insane.

Paul Krugman once wrote that if Republicans came out saying the world is flat and Democrats said it was round, the headlines would read: "Shape of the World: Two Opposing Views"


Burrell - Jun 22, 2010 10:50:46 am PDT #8240 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Also, I see this more and more: "Everyone has a right to their opinion."

Oh, that one! Grrrr.


Steph L. - Jun 22, 2010 10:52:20 am PDT #8241 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I mean, can you imagine that census question? LGBTQI, for starters.

I find the LGBTQI (which also tends to include asexual, now) umbrella interesting because of the way it conflates sexuality (LGBQ and A for asexual) with gender (TI, and Q if you want to add genderqueer).

Someone on LiveJournal said that that abbreviation should have U added for "unsure," and then the letters can be rearranged to spell QUILTBAG. Which is AWESOME.

I don't like any of the labels.

I fall in love with, and have sex with, people - not organs.

Yes, but -- for the purposes of this discussion only, not sexuality in general -- we've been talking about people's sexualities, which are *not* based on their organs/genitals.

I totally get what you're saying, and it's the most sensible approach, IMO.

But I just wanted to clarify that, since we were talking about straight/bi/gay, those categories of sexuality aren't about genitals.


Allyson - Jun 22, 2010 10:54:08 am PDT #8242 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

So is the sky in fact falling, or are comment sections just so full of stupid that smart people (obviously, I'm not smart) just ignore them?


Steph L. - Jun 22, 2010 10:55:03 am PDT #8243 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

That all said--teppy, your thing with queer made me smile remembering a convo had with a friend re another friend who is a transguy, dating a girl who IDs as straight. And we were all "yes, not to invalidate his male identity, but there's something fairly queer about being willing to date a trans guy".

Heh. Yeah, I totally get that. There's so many gradations of trans*, though, that dating a crossdresser (actually, he identifies as genderqueer) makes me "feel" less queer than if I were dating someone trans* who was living fulltime as their gender. (Mine is more of a date one, get one free kind of dealie.)