Giles: Helping out with the dishes makes me feel useful. Dawn: Wanna clean out the garage with us Saturday? You could feel indispensable.

'Dirty Girls'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


bon bon - Jun 22, 2010 7:56:43 am PDT #8136 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

It does have a bit of a hurdle to get into, I swear. I'm two eps in (I probably shouldn't be going back and doing the commentary right after each ep), and I can objectively see that it's quality, and the amount of talent oozes off the screen, but I'm not addicted.

But it's definitely one of those shows that makes me feel like the shortcoming is mine and not its.

Give it a season, really. It's not a show that exists in serialized chunks; it's more like a Russian novel (if a Russian novel had gay assassins). You will not regret how slow it builds. And leave those commentaries! I haven't heard the season one ones but the season 2 ones have spoilers.


§ ita § - Jun 22, 2010 7:57:11 am PDT #8137 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do not EVEN get me started on the grammatical kerfuckery that is "Live and Let Die." Gah.

No, do get started. Because I do figure it could be fixed, and I'm not sure what I'm missing.


DebetEsse - Jun 22, 2010 7:57:20 am PDT #8138 of 30001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Scrappy - Jun 22, 2010 7:58:09 am PDT #8139 of 30001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I'm in the other camp. Slept with a woman. Really dug it, but it made me certain I was pretty darn straight despite the pleasure it gave me. I realized I didn't hunger to do it again as often as possible, the way I do with men. If I had great sex with a guy, I wanted more more more. I spent time with this woman after we did the delicious deed and although I was perfectly open to continuing, I just did not want to. I sometimes fantasize about women, but then I fantasize about everything, so I don't find that indicative of my proclivities. Vanilla me.


§ ita § - Jun 22, 2010 7:58:45 am PDT #8140 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And leave those commentaries! I haven't heard the season one ones but the season 2 ones have spoilers.

It's the Netflix curse--since I'm not going to have them all in my hand at once, I figure I might as well get them listened to ASAP. But you're right--they're going to assume ep 1 that I've seen the whole series. I just don't want to miss the creatorly goodness.

I still have disc 1. Maybe this weekend.


Polter-Cow - Jun 22, 2010 7:59:25 am PDT #8141 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

It does have a bit of a hurdle to get into, I swear. I'm two eps in

I found that each season takes about four episodes to get into. It takes that long to set up all the pieces so they can start moving them around in interesting ways.


Frankenbuddha - Jun 22, 2010 8:01:03 am PDT #8142 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Do not EVEN get me started on the grammatical kerfuckery that is "Live and Let Die." Gah.

But in this ever changing world in which we live in...

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bon bon - Jun 22, 2010 8:01:56 am PDT #8143 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

It's the Netflix curse--since I'm not going to have them all in my hand at once, I figure I might as well get them listened to ASAP. But you're right--they're going to assume ep 1 that I've seen the whole series. I just don't want to miss the creatorly goodness.

I see that, and the commentaries are probably only filmed by the time the next season is shot. But it's a show you just don't want to be spoiled by.


Dana - Jun 22, 2010 8:04:30 am PDT #8144 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

So, all the people who sing "Do You Know What It Means to Miss New Orleans," including the people who are from there, are DOIN IT RONG? That is seriously fucking hilarious.

I make an exception for the sake of rhyming in songs. But only good songs.


smonster - Jun 22, 2010 8:05:45 am PDT #8145 of 30001
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

However, if there are a lot of people like me who, for whatever reason, experience the same thing maybe that's the reason for the idea that there's really not such a thing as bi.

Gud, we may be talking at cross-purposes. My point is that "ending up with a man"=straight. Sexual identity is highly personal. To many, especially those (but not only) in the queer community, making that decision or assuming for someone else is not appreciated. Depending on how close you are to those in your sample, you may find it interesting to discuss with them and ask how they perceive themselves.

Sexual identity is not just who you have sex with - it's also who you're attracted to, etc. I am fair certain that even if I marry a dude next month and we live happily ever after until we die simultaneously, I will always and forever amen find certain chicks attractive. And vice versa if I find me a good woman.

However, if there are a lot of people like me who, for whatever reason, experience the same thing maybe that's the reason for the idea that there's really not such a thing as bi.

Right. Back to this statement - my condensed response would be that those people are making extremely problematic assumptions based on a heteronormative and static interpretation of others' sexual identity.