I know more women who have explored more boundaries than men (although perhaps I am just not getting all the juice). Maybe it's female social patterning; I know I certainly have touched intimate zones and kissed and hugged women more than I see men doing it with their male friends. Slap ass, hugs and joke junk grabbing with the guys, but women will embrace, stroke, kiss, touch faces, cheek hug more.

I have a pet theory on this. Its that (speaking in the broadest strokes imaginable) boys are socialized to "get girls" and girls are socialized to "have orgasms".

A friend of mine's pet theory (not completely incompatible with mine) is that sexually inexperienced males can be lacking in the female O department. So a sexually inexperienced female has sex with one of them, has no O, and thinks, "Huh, I must be lesbian". Then she has sex with a woman (who has practiced such things), has an O and thinks, "Yep, I'm lesbian."

Throw these in with the all-too-common straight boy mortal terror of "someone thinking I'm a fag" (instilled via insults from peers and coaches from the earliest possible age) and the lassies are just gonna be 'sperimentin' more than the lads.

I bet that if Drew and Scola started making out, we would notice (and applaud, but that might just be us)

Dude, you weren't THERE for that F2F?! Tragic!

I think I lean more towards PT#2, although I hope and think women are BECOMING more socialized to "get orgasms."

I need to "get" one; I have hit the marital tired zone -- it's been...over a month?! Huh, I gotta attack that boy tomorrow night!

Its that (speaking in the broadest strokes imaginable) boys are socialized to "get girls" and girls are socialized to "have orgasms".

Not the opposite? Because I think of girls as more conditioned to "get relationships" and boys as more conditioned to "get laid." If I were to generalize way, way, way more broadly than I am comfortable doing.

I meant specifically the sexual goal: Pussy v. Os.

Yeah, there is deffinately more "get a relationship" for teh girls.

And all of the mmm, hot Alias boys talk is timely since I am just maybe watching S2. Um, for Sark.

Right now we're at the, "My name is Sydney Bristow, you has my Spy Daddy, prepare to go boom. KThxBye." ep.

Which, whatever. I want some more Sark people.

A friend of mine's pet theory (not completely incompatible with mine) is that sexually inexperienced males can be lacking in the female O department. So a sexually inexperienced female has sex with one of them, has no O, and thinks, "Huh, I must be lesbian". Then she has sex with a woman (who has practiced such things), has an O and thinks, "Yep, I'm lesbian."

uh, sort of. Except for ...y'know, also if you like boys you keep trying. And if you don't like girls, it doesn't work too well, and/or you maybe don't try in the first place.

Well, yes, they then keep trying boys, get better-schooled boys, and re-think the matter again. But even if you don't, ultimately, dig the girls but it works better 0-wise (the working better 0-wise being based more on technique than attraction) you can reasonably conclude you DO dig the girls even if you're only sort of digging the girls.

These are not serious thinky thoughts on the part of my friend Angela, more like rambly drinky thoughts on the parts of both of us.

And then we made out.

No we didn't. But I think we should have.

Oh, Juliebird, what a miserable time you're having. I've had similar family visits, although my life has been blessedly free of pervy carpenters. May your car be fixed in record time so you can flee.

And I feel like a heel because I'm making it all about meeeee! When it's my brother's girlfriend who's got the shit end of the stick, but it feels like everything will fall apart for everyone if he fucks it up with her, and it's horribly depressing that he went so far today. That the behaviours that we thought he was past are still strongly present. He's a heroin addict, addictive personality, and if she leaves him, it will just get worse all over again. And just yesterday she was talking about when they had kids someday.

And when I tried to talk about how I felt to my dad, he snapped "Oh calm down" which just made me want to smash a brick in his face. Yes, let's all bury our faces in the sand and keep enabling the shit who IS STILL STEALING FROM HIS FAMILY. I've never been so relieved about being broke.

Thanks, Ginger.

Finally finished The Wire. How do people get work done instead of evangelizing about this show every day? I'm filled with the spirit.

Ha ha ha. I know, right? I thought everyone was just being hyperbolic, and then I watched the show and now I am one of Those People.