I feel like whole portions of my female genetic code are missing. It's the very rare shoe that makes me go "Oooh, pretty," babies fall into the "it's noisy and makes messes" category--though are occasionally cute, but not as cute as kittens--and the makeup conversations are like listening to talks about chemistry--abstruse subjects where I understand most of the words but miss on the concepts.

I always preferred hanging over the fender while Daddy explained carbeuration anyway.

Yeah, that's probably good advice.

And yeah, this is all pretty much new to me, except for that phase in seventh grade.

And in keeping with the makeup/football continuum, it is really raining at the game tonight!

I hear you, Connie. I don't have children and I hate shopping with a passion but I have an interest in make-up out of total necessity. Since I started going grey at 15 or 16, that included the eyebrows and eyelashes. And when you combine very pale skin and very blue eyes with almost invisible eyelashes and eyebrows, if I don't wear make-up, I tend to frighten people. I look like a ghost with big blue orbs.

Me, it's kittens I don't get. I mean, I get that they're cute in theory, but I wouldn't want to actually have one. Pictures will do just fine.

I don't understand the crease concept either. But because of all this convo, I put on lipstick this morning. Which looked weird alone, so I was forced to put in contacts and eyemakeup.

Ooooh! I know this one! I had this exact problem my entire life! Have you tried Urban Decay's 24/7 liner? It Does. Not. Budge. [link] About 30 seconds after you draw it on, it just stays where it is. No more smudge marks on my upper lids. It's BRILLIANT.

it budges on me. Moostly right at first, but....

I have an interest in make-up out of total necessity

I feel the same way. Especially before I colored my hair (darker), I felt like, without makeup, I just sort of faded away. Lightish hair, light eyes, lightish brows, very fair = invisigirl.

I have to powder the 24/7 (especially Zero), and it still moves on me when I'm working (oily lids + dishwasher steam + sweat = makeup budging), but it's still the best I've tried.

Who's a famous chick with helpfully shaped eyes who looks good to you, Liese?

Would Kim Yu-Na or Mao Asada do the trick? Both have scads of shots because of the Olympics, and always looks sort of fresh and not overdone.

But... they're kittens! With the mewing and the purring and the soft fur and big eyes. Cute!

I was wrong about the MK eye makeup remover. It's oil free. My sis gets it for me at dealer cost so I don't pay more for it than anything else.

I also love UD's 24/7. Although I've recently tried Cover Girl's shadowblast stuff and like it.