I don't understand the crease concept either. But because of all this convo, I put on lipstick this morning. Which looked weird alone, so I was forced to put in contacts and eyemakeup.

Ooooh! I know this one! I had this exact problem my entire life! Have you tried Urban Decay's 24/7 liner? It Does. Not. Budge. [link] About 30 seconds after you draw it on, it just stays where it is. No more smudge marks on my upper lids. It's BRILLIANT.

it budges on me. Moostly right at first, but....

I have an interest in make-up out of total necessity

I feel the same way. Especially before I colored my hair (darker), I felt like, without makeup, I just sort of faded away. Lightish hair, light eyes, lightish brows, very fair = invisigirl.

I have to powder the 24/7 (especially Zero), and it still moves on me when I'm working (oily lids + dishwasher steam + sweat = makeup budging), but it's still the best I've tried.

Who's a famous chick with helpfully shaped eyes who looks good to you, Liese?

Would Kim Yu-Na or Mao Asada do the trick? Both have scads of shots because of the Olympics, and always looks sort of fresh and not overdone.

But... they're kittens! With the mewing and the purring and the soft fur and big eyes. Cute!

I was wrong about the MK eye makeup remover. It's oil free. My sis gets it for me at dealer cost so I don't pay more for it than anything else.

I also love UD's 24/7. Although I've recently tried Cover Girl's shadowblast stuff and like it.

Nicole - I echo the Urban Decay 24/7 love. If you wanna hit Sephora together, let me know.

Just got home from a meeting at school for the 8th grade DC/NYC trip. Looks like it will be a small group - maybe 15 kids. CJ is so excited. This may be his only Christmas gift from me. While pulling the money together may be a challenge, it is something I really want him to be able to do. He is going out to Cali for Fall break with G'pa next week - hoping that I can get G'pa to contribute too.

Ahahaha. See, I am all of that. Makeup, fake nails, kittens, cats, babies (other people's,) hair dye, salons, heels, but I do draw the line at shopping. It makes me cranky. And I really need to replace my winter wardrobe. And the makeup and hair after swimming, I don't bother. My neighbors are more used to me without than with. I used to not go out without full hair and face, but now I don't care (seeing how I looked good in pix in Nepal emboldened me.)

Basically, I've gotten to where I don't HAVE to be or do anything wrt image. I do what I want, no explaining. WYSIWYG at any given moment.

With the mewing and the purring and the soft fur and big eyes. Cute!

And the eating and the peeing and the smelling. Pictures are just fine, thankee.

This convo totally makes me feel like I should put on a full face of makeup.

Guaranteed I will not feel like this tomorrow morning, and the most I will accomplish will be to apply lip gloss at the stoplight.

Who's a famous chick with helpfully shaped eyes who looks good to you, Liese?

PTI had birthday wishes for Michelle Wei today. She is drop dead gorgeous.