ita, this may sound familiar to you: [link] (video with sound)

It took Bob seven years of constant work to complete his PhD. Asking to be called something in a social situation may be awkward, but he has certainly earned the right to be thought of as the equivalent to someone who finished medical school.

Seriously. I think the average years for a MA + PhD in the humanities is 8-9 years for men and 10-11 for women.

Why does it take longer for women to achieve PhD than men?

I assume children and caregiving are a big part of that.

For that matter I know medical doctors who not only don't use "Doctor" in social situations, but go out of the way to conceal that they are medical doctors in social situations. Avoiding being asked for free medical advice. (Lawyers have this problem too, but are probably less shy about handing out their card, and saying "This is the number to call for an appointment.")

I think the average years for a MA + PhD in the humanities is 8-9 years for men and 10-11 for women.

That doesn't include your undergrad?

Over here it's three years, and you can apply for funding for a fourth year, but you better be able to prove that the fourth year will have it finished, and better than if you'd done it in three.

That doesn't include your undergrad?

Nope. There's generally 3 years of coursework (2 years for the M.A. and 1 for the Ph.D), 1+ years of research/field work, 1+ years of writing. Plus, there's usually a bunch of teaching thrown in there. Coursework is not the problem with finishing a Ph.D., it's finding time and money for necessary research and writing. I certainly don't know anyone who did it in fewer than 6 years.

I don't know about the UK, but the traditional thesis in France is not equivalent to what you have to produce here, i.e., essentially a book that will be published 4-5 years after defense.

I assume children and caregiving are a big part of that.

Yes. At least in my case, plus a major job change, a few moves, divorce--re-marriage. Typical life adventures on the path to greatness.

Coursework is not the problem with finishing a Ph.D., it's finding time and money for necessary reasearch and writing.

Over here, you pretty much can't get a PhD place unless you've your three years funding approved by one of the government's research councils.

I don't know about the UK, but the traditional thesis in France is not equivalent to what you have to produce here, i.e., essentially a book that will be published 4-5 years after defense.

Yeah I don't know of any PhD's who've published their theses, unless it's years later and completely rewritten.

But the pro-anas didn't invent these things, they lifted those phrases from let's say "regular" dieters who've been using them for years.

Language evolves. Groups co-opt. If you're in marketing and you're not sensitive to that, I contend you're not doing your job well. However, I also believe they intended to shit stir, as evidenced by the web site I linked to.

ita, this may sound familiar to you

Ha. I don't suppose there are any made for the converse, what I'm doing to you.