Two by two, hands of blue. Two by two, hands of blue.

River ,'Ariel'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


megan walker - Oct 11, 2010 12:09:30 pm PDT #28963 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I assume children and caregiving are a big part of that.


Typo Boy - Oct 11, 2010 12:11:13 pm PDT #28964 of 30001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

For that matter I know medical doctors who not only don't use "Doctor" in social situations, but go out of the way to conceal that they are medical doctors in social situations. Avoiding being asked for free medical advice. (Lawyers have this problem too, but are probably less shy about handing out their card, and saying "This is the number to call for an appointment.")


Jars - Oct 11, 2010 12:17:33 pm PDT #28965 of 30001

I think the average years for a MA + PhD in the humanities is 8-9 years for men and 10-11 for women.

That doesn't include your undergrad?

Over here it's three years, and you can apply for funding for a fourth year, but you better be able to prove that the fourth year will have it finished, and better than if you'd done it in three.


megan walker - Oct 11, 2010 12:22:14 pm PDT #28966 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

That doesn't include your undergrad?

Nope. There's generally 3 years of coursework (2 years for the M.A. and 1 for the Ph.D), 1+ years of research/field work, 1+ years of writing. Plus, there's usually a bunch of teaching thrown in there. Coursework is not the problem with finishing a Ph.D., it's finding time and money for necessary research and writing. I certainly don't know anyone who did it in fewer than 6 years.

I don't know about the UK, but the traditional thesis in France is not equivalent to what you have to produce here, i.e., essentially a book that will be published 4-5 years after defense.


slayeroshadow - Oct 11, 2010 12:22:53 pm PDT #28967 of 30001
And what's with all the carrots?

I assume children and caregiving are a big part of that.

Yes. At least in my case, plus a major job change, a few moves, divorce--re-marriage. Typical life adventures on the path to greatness.


Jars - Oct 11, 2010 12:28:06 pm PDT #28968 of 30001

Coursework is not the problem with finishing a Ph.D., it's finding time and money for necessary reasearch and writing.

Over here, you pretty much can't get a PhD place unless you've your three years funding approved by one of the government's research councils.

I don't know about the UK, but the traditional thesis in France is not equivalent to what you have to produce here, i.e., essentially a book that will be published 4-5 years after defense.

Yeah I don't know of any PhD's who've published their theses, unless it's years later and completely rewritten.


§ ita § - Oct 11, 2010 12:37:32 pm PDT #28969 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But the pro-anas didn't invent these things, they lifted those phrases from let's say "regular" dieters who've been using them for years.

Language evolves. Groups co-opt. If you're in marketing and you're not sensitive to that, I contend you're not doing your job well. However, I also believe they intended to shit stir, as evidenced by the web site I linked to.

ita, this may sound familiar to you

Ha. I don't suppose there are any made for the converse, what I'm doing to you.


Vortex - Oct 11, 2010 12:51:50 pm PDT #28970 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

This is definitely not the case in all disciplines.

yes, in law, there are VERY few doctors. There are two advances legal degrees, the LL.M. (Master of Laws) and the SJD (doctorate). Most lawyers have the JD (which is Juris Doctor). Some people at my university call me "doctor", to which I say "oh, you don't have to do that", because I feel like a poser. But, they are trying to tell me that they respect my education, so I don't insist.


§ ita § - Oct 11, 2010 12:52:47 pm PDT #28971 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm guessing that the upshot of this chart is that there are even fewer decent female characters than I'd thought, and Zoe isn't one of them. However, I'm assuming there are very few decent male characters too, because the bar is damned high. This makes the field look less sexist to me, not more. Just makes writing look like crap.


§ ita § - Oct 11, 2010 1:37:33 pm PDT #28972 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Courtney Cox and David Arquette separate.