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Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


megan walker - Sep 28, 2010 6:25:53 am PDT #26467 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I think the key points in that study are actually these:

On questions about the Bible and Christianity, the groups that answered the most right were Mormons and white evangelical Protestants.

On questions about world religions, like Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Judaism, the groups that did the best were atheists, agnostics and Jews.

So, Americans are not necessarily "deeply ignorant about religion"; rather, they are deeply ignorant about other religions. And, apparently, road rules.


Jessica - Sep 28, 2010 6:26:49 am PDT #26468 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

rather, they are deeply ignorant about other religions.

Well, not the atheists.


msbelle - Sep 28, 2010 6:30:00 am PDT #26469 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

It looks like no one else was injured by the suicide gunman. The campus is completely shut down and closed.


Fred Pete - Sep 28, 2010 6:30:20 am PDT #26470 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

The religious history of Christianity the US is a long and proud tradition of people who have a "personal relationship with Jesus" and little or no knowledge of the Bible or the practices or a particular Church.

There's also the American tradition of holding X, Y, or Z religion because that's what your parents were, or that's what your spouse is. It isn't even a matter of selection, just taking the path of least resistance. With that tradition, it's easy to limit your religious education to "just enough to get by" and then forget even that much. (Which isn't, of course, to say that all people do that. Just that it's very easy to go that route if you want to.)


tommyrot - Sep 28, 2010 6:30:58 am PDT #26471 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

There's also the American tradition of holding X, Y, or Z religion because that's what your parents were, or that's what your spouse is.

That's true of all cultures and all religions.

eta: At least for the 'parents' part.


Zenkitty - Sep 28, 2010 6:31:45 am PDT #26472 of 30001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Link to the Pew online quiz about religion.


Fred Pete - Sep 28, 2010 6:31:53 am PDT #26473 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

Fair point, tommy.

Must think this through further.


megan walker - Sep 28, 2010 6:34:09 am PDT #26474 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

The religious history of Christianity the US is a long and proud tradition of people who have a "personal relationship with Jesus" and little or no knowledge of the Bible or the practices or a particular Church.

This is very true. An overwhelming number of Americans believe in God (something like 90%), but they don't necessarily identify with a religion, whereas in a place like France, an overwhelming number of people will self-identify as Catholic but claim not to believe in God.


Amy - Sep 28, 2010 6:35:10 am PDT #26475 of 30001
Because books.

in a place like France, an overwhelming number of people will self-identify as Catholic but claim not to believe in God.

So it's more of a cultural marker, then?


Jessica - Sep 28, 2010 6:36:27 am PDT #26476 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

There's also the American tradition of holding X, Y, or Z religion because that's what your parents were, or that's what your spouse is. It isn't even a matter of selection, just taking the path of least resistance.

What makes American Christians unusual is that this is much less true here than in Europe (where people tend to belong to the state church by default but not actually give a crap about it). Having no state religion has led to a culture in which people take their religion much more seriously. (The theory I've read regarding this is that people don't tend to respect or trust their governments. So if the government is also the church, this leads to an eventual decline in religiousity. This never happened in the US.)