Yes, it's terribly simple. The good guys are always stalwart and true, the bad guys are easily distinguished by their pointy horns or black hats, and, uh, we always defeat them and save the day. No one ever dies, and everybody lives happily ever after.

Giles ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Sep 20, 2010 11:51:20 am PDT #24939 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

So now when I invite people I always try to ask, "Are there any food issues I should be aware of?"

I always ask for dietary restrictions/preferences when I'm going to be cooking for someone I don't know. I'd much rather know in advance and be able to make something everyone will enjoy eating!

Not that we have people over any more, because of the children.

OTOH, this. If I'm having people over for dinner, it's probably because they live in the building and have kids the same age as mine, and we've been friends long enough that I already know what they're allergic to. (And it's usually more of a "I made way too much chili, did you have dinner plans?" thing than a "Please RSVP to this formal dinner" kind of thing.)


P.M. Marc - Sep 20, 2010 11:53:14 am PDT #24940 of 30001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Yeah, it's hard because I hate the responsibility of changing everyone else's plans because of a preference. It seems so selfish to me. But with Adam and Erinn, I should have spoken up because it was just for the three of us and so easy to work around.

As an occasional hostess, I'd rather know and have alternates for people. So, whenever Bev's at my house, I make sure to have some wheatless noms, or the veggie bacon I had at the F2F for P-C and JZ. Or if I'm cooking for my sister's husband, no onions anywhere near anything (adult-onset allergy of increasing severity).


javachik - Sep 20, 2010 11:54:31 am PDT #24941 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Now that I am willing to learn to pipe up, what is the absolute most polite way to say it? It was drilled into me by my grandfather that when you're a guest in someone's home, it's nothing but rude to ask for anything special. So I am trying to overcome it.

(It's actually the main reason I prefer to stay in hotels when visiting lots of people - I am really picky, and I know I am picky, and it's just so much easier to deal with myself and not put people out. So I'd save a lot of money if I could learn to be more flexible AND to speak up!)


megan walker - Sep 20, 2010 11:58:32 am PDT #24942 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I think the problem is those people with intolerances or allergies who aren't content with "No, Thanks" and moving right along, and instead want to tell you long and descriptive stories of their gastrointestinal distress when they eat food X and/or attempt to convert you to their wacky colonic irrigation/foods only beginning with T/foods without a soul/etc. scheme. Those people give food intolerances a bad name, and I judge them.

Also, the people who don't say "No, Thanks" but rather "I don't eat X specific thing, do you have Y specific thing."

Because, really, the onus is on the host to think about general options, but if you can't eat one item on the menu, you should really just leave it at that.

Java, I never have a problem with people that speak up in advance, or people that bring their own options. I like to make things people will eat (because, otherwise I get no praise so what's the point?!).

It's the "I didn't tell you this, but somehow you should have known" attitude that bugs me. I am not a mindreader and my house is not a prix fixe restaurant where you are guaranteed an entree, two sides, and a dessert.

But with Adam and Erinn, I should have spoken up because it was just for the three of us and so easy to work around.

Also, this. And, because Adam and Erinn are awesome!


brenda m - Sep 20, 2010 11:59:43 am PDT #24943 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

We brought food yesterday to some friends and if we hadn't know them well enough to have had some sense of their food issues it would've really sucked. One was a peanut allergy, so obviously critical to know. But she also doesn't eat red meat, and her husband will not eat anything resembling a vegetable in any shape or form. We were cooking out, so instead of getting the smoked cheddar and onion brats we would have gotten otherwise, we got some of those, some no onion, and some chicken sausage. Easy peasy. But if we hadn't known them well and they hadn't spoken up, we would have felt like assholes. Or, at least, bad guests.


Vortex - Sep 20, 2010 12:01:30 pm PDT #24944 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

It was drilled into me by my grandfather that when you're a guest in someone's home, it's nothing but rude to ask for anything special. So I am trying to overcome it.

Thanks so much for the invitation, I would love to come! I hate to inconvenience you, but I just wanted you to know that [insert dietary restriction or hatred here]. I'm really looking forward to it!


flea - Sep 20, 2010 12:01:49 pm PDT #24945 of 30001
information libertarian

I am imagining Brenda's friends as People of the Carbs. (Plus Occasional Chicken.)

How do you LIVE without vegetables? Vegetables are good, people! I like almost all of them!


megan walker - Sep 20, 2010 12:02:29 pm PDT #24946 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Communication, it's what for dinner.


megan walker - Sep 20, 2010 12:03:57 pm PDT #24947 of 30001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

Thanks so much for the invitation, I would love to come! I hate to inconvenience you, but I just wanted you to know that [insert dietary restriction or hatred here]. I'm really looking forward to it!

This is perfect.


brenda m - Sep 20, 2010 12:05:30 pm PDT #24948 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Something like not eating meat, or some category of meat, I think I'd just say "I'd love to come for dinner. I don't eat red meat though - I hope that's not a problem?". For an actual bbq, telling them "I'm happy to bring something I can grill" would also be nice, but I'm betting nine times out of ten the response would be "oh don't worry about it, we can take care of you." Or it ought to be.

Other likes/dislikes I think are context dependent. If you know they're having pizza, I don't see anything wrong with saying "can I make a request for please no mushrooms?" If it's more a dinner party, I'd let it go and assume I could eat around them in most cases.

Depends on how ubiquitous or central the particular food is likely to be I guess - if you don't eat meat, it's going to be really obvious if you don't touch the main course. If it's a veggie or something more likely to come up as a side element, you can probably get away with taking a tiny portion or pushing it around on the plate or something without making it a big deal.