Gabriel: Are you trying to destroy this family? Simon: I didn't realize it would be so easy.

'Safe'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


javachik - Jul 22, 2010 11:43:24 am PDT #14086 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

The fact that she brings it up, though, means she thinks there's merit. There is NO other reason for her to even mention it, the sanctimonious wrong-headed, insensitive bitch. (In the context of her conversation with the mother.)


Steph L. - Jul 22, 2010 11:47:34 am PDT #14087 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

OK, she did say she didn't subscribe to this.

I had this reaction, too. Like, maybe she's horrifically tactless and monumentally stupid.

But obviously not everyone read it the same way.

I'm not defending her; regardless of whether she's being stupid and tactless or being sanctimonious, that's not something you say to an expectant mother who had a traumatic first birth.


Amy - Jul 22, 2010 11:48:22 am PDT #14088 of 30001
Because books.

I got that Bialik said she didn't subscribe to it -- I was reacting to whoever out there *does*, whom I didn't know existed until I read her quote.


Trudy Booth - Jul 22, 2010 11:50:08 am PDT #14089 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

The fact that she brings it up, though, means she thinks there's merit. There is NO other reason for her to even mention it, the sanctimonious wrong-headed, insensitive bitch. (In the context of her conversation with the mother.)

No it doesn't. The fact that she brings it up means that someone called and asked her about home birth stuff for an article. We don't even know who brought it up, really. It could have been the questioner.

Should she have pretended, upon being asked, that she'd simply never heard the question addressed?


Aims - Jul 22, 2010 11:50:09 am PDT #14090 of 30001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I was reacting to that and to her snide remark about, "I felt like a failure ... But it's not like I had a C-section."


Trudy Booth - Jul 22, 2010 11:52:29 am PDT #14091 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'm not defending her; regardless of whether she's being stupid and tactless or being sanctimonious, that's not something you say to an expectant mother who had a traumatic first birth.

A mother who is a writer and is writing an article about it.

And, even if she's not writing an article at that point -- I'm considering a home birth I want to hear the whole unvarnished picture of yer home birth perspectives and experiences.


Trudy Booth - Jul 22, 2010 11:54:37 am PDT #14092 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I was reacting to that and to her snide remark about, "I felt like a failure ... But it's not like I had a C-section."

But you don't know that was snide, you can't hear her tone of voice. Maybe she's deriding herself for feeling so shitty even though her friend went through something much worse. Taffy doesn't seem offended.


Strix - Jul 22, 2010 11:57:10 am PDT #14093 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

The experience was scarring. "I felt a sense of failure that I had to call my parents from the hospital," Bialik continues. "Yes, I know vaginal birth in the hospital is the next best thing to a home birth." She considers me, knowing my story. "It's not like when people have a C-section."

I point out that natural childbirth in the hospital — her "failure" — was my best-case scenario. But I also understand when she says, "Everyone is allowed her own sense of loss." She realized her vision when her second son was born at home

I honestly don't know how Blayik intended that statement -- as presented, I can't get a good sense of tone; it's ambiguous, to me.

ETA: and xpost with Trudy.


Amy - Jul 22, 2010 11:57:13 am PDT #14094 of 30001
Because books.

But you don't know that was snide, you can't hear her tone of voice.

I think if you'd had a C-section, and dealt with a lot of moms who treated you like you'd let down their side, and were somehow not really part of the club, you might feel differently about that.


Aims - Jul 22, 2010 11:59:10 am PDT #14095 of 30001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Taffy doesn't seem offended.

Well good for Taffy. I, on the other hand, being a whole OTHER person, don't like hearing a person talk about how they felt like failure because of how she gave birth and then saying, "it's not like when people have a c-section."

And having read other articles/columns by or about Mayim and listened to other members of the Holistic Women's what-the-fuck-ever it's called, they *do* believe that a c-section IS a failure in a successful birth. Considering I got a kid that rocks mine and other worlds on a daily basis, I'm going to call it a hands down success and she can suck my dick.