My work's illegal, but at least it's honest.

Mal ,'Shindig'


Natter 66: Get Your Kicks.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


javachik - Jul 09, 2010 10:07:44 am PDT #11466 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Kat, when does your Vitamax arrive??


DavidS - Jul 09, 2010 10:20:55 am PDT #11467 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Sometimes I think that modern (last 20 years) graduates think they're deserving to start mid-tier instead of entry level.

Well, they probably think that because through much of the 90s and the Oughties they could just step out of grad school and get a six figure job.

Personally I think there are some cracks in the cultural myths and ethos - a widening gap between the purported ethic and the way the economy has been working.

The notion of thrift and saving has been undermined. Credit is given cheaply instead of earned. The notion of valuing things and fixing them and keeping them over time has been made almost impossible by the market demands (i.e., it's cheaper to buy a new DVD player than fix a broken one). The work ethic has been undercut as employers squeeze productivity (more work for the same pay) and try to finesse job definitions to avoid paying overtime.

There's way more money to be made by manipulating the stock market until it crashes than there has been in creating useful goods. At least that's been the cycle of finance in the 80s (junk bonds), 90s (internet boom), and 00s (real estate bubble). And each time it's proclaimed a New Economy that isn't governed by the usual economic rules.

So there's a promoted myth economic virtues and then there's a contrary reality that's milked and exploited.


DavidS - Jul 09, 2010 10:23:44 am PDT #11468 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Awww, Geek Love Maximus.


Jesse - Jul 09, 2010 10:29:30 am PDT #11469 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Well, they probably think that because through much of the 90s and the Oughties they could just step out of grad school and get a six figure job.

Well, a few people in a few places could.

I have a friend who is still pissed off that she can't get a better job with her master's and very little relevant experience -- in a field where experience is everything. @@


§ ita § - Jul 09, 2010 10:29:47 am PDT #11470 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

My head is going to explode!

I need to actually leave the building during work hours today. Even if I don't drink the damned smoothie. I just...I thought I'd gotten the document right.


Toddson - Jul 09, 2010 10:31:28 am PDT #11471 of 30001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

I thought people would find that NYT article ... worth discussing. I see kids right out of college expecting to either start in a managerial-level job or be promoted into one really quickly - like within six month. That guy annoyed me because, as others have pointed out, he has a bachelor's degree, he's been living off his parents, he's sending out (if I remember correctly) five or six resumes a week, he's doing handyman type jobs ... and he turned down a professional level job because it wasn't what he wanted and it didn't pay enough.

Then I think of Hil, with an advanced degree, sending out that many resumes a day, interviewing all over, and being willing to be flexible about what she'll accept.


Amy - Jul 09, 2010 10:32:39 am PDT #11472 of 30001
Because books.

Dear Teenage Boys Who Think Axe Body Spray Is a Good Solution to a Sweaty Summer Day:

No. No, it isn't. You're very sweet, but you are entirely misguided and giving me asthma.

Helpfully,

The Wheezing Mom of At Least One of You


Kathy A - Jul 09, 2010 10:36:23 am PDT #11473 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I see kids right out of college expecting to either start in a managerial-level job or be promoted into one really quickly - like within six month.

Whereas I, who already has about ten years of varied library experience and will hopefully have my MLS in three years, am just hoping to work my way up to library director at a public library within ten years after getting my masters.


quester - Jul 09, 2010 10:44:05 am PDT #11474 of 30001
Danger is my middle name, only I spell it R. u. t. h. - Tina Belcher.

And growled for more.

On growling babies: all three of the recent babies in my family have or are going through a growling phase. It happens around 7 or 8 mos. old. It was alarming with the now 2-year-old, but with the 7 and 8 month-olds it just seems routine now.

On unemployment: All I know is my own experience. After I was first laid off from the full-time job I'd had for 7 years, I was able to receive the maximum for a single person from Missouri. It was $338 a week as I recall.

I am currently unable to qualify for unemployment in Iowa because I haven't worked enough. Your unemployment is based on your salary from 2 to 3 quarters before you became unemployed. Because my temp work has been so spotty, I didn't make enough to qualify.

So, I personally, am not "enjoying' my unemployment.


Daisy Jane - Jul 09, 2010 10:54:27 am PDT #11475 of 30001
"This bar smells like kerosene and stripper tears."

I guess I have mostly seen people go from admin to at best PMs, or research/data collecting to PM, but not much more. My designer friends have even more trouble because for every CD position there are bunches of really talented design and concept (and sometimes UX and IA) people for it, and that's if your company doesn't decide to hire a flashier name from outside the co.