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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jars - Jul 09, 2010 3:59:53 am PDT #11322 of 30001

WTF is she talking about?

I think that the burden of proof is on her for this one.

I need etiquette help. We've just received an invitation to G's cousin's wedding, and we'll actually be in the States when it's on, and are thus expected to go. Which is great and all, but it sounds reeeeeally fancy, and I can do British/Irish fancy but I have no idea about American fancy.

It's going to be somewhere on the Cape, and there's a welcome bonfire, then the next day a wedding reception followed by a beach blessing followed by a cocktail party followed by dinner followed by an after party. there is a family brunch the next day.

It says 'black tie optional' which I know at the very least means I need to be fancy and wear heels, but heels on a beach?

I was thinking something along the lines of this maybe [link]

But I don't know the rules at American weddings. Are black and white off limits? What sort of gift is appropriate? Argh! I don't want to ruin someone's wedding with a hideous cultural faux pas.


Hil R. - Jul 09, 2010 4:05:58 am PDT #11323 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Are black and white off limits? What sort of gift is appropriate?

White is generally off limits. The old-fashioned rule is that you don't wear black to a wedding, but that one seems to be fading a bit. For the gift, ask if they've got a registry.


JZ - Jul 09, 2010 4:07:09 am PDT #11324 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I think that the burden of proof is on her for this one.

I'm with Jars. A quick jaunt through Google shows nothing but Newsweek articles patiently repeating over and over again that Obama is Christian, not Muslim (usually adding, "Not that there'd be anything wrong with it if he were Muslim; it's just that he isn't"), and I found one article from during the primaries about what a solid and consistent supporter of Israel he'd been during his time in the Senate and how every pro-Israel group in the US thought he was pure awesomecakes. Your coworker's common knowledge doesn't seem to be either.

Jars, pretty dress, but if you go for that you'd probably need a colorful scarf or shoes or both -- white is definitely frowned on at USian weddings, and the frowniness has slopped over to anything too close to white. OTOH, if the bride is one of those rare awesome people who's decided to get married in red or something and has announced it beforehand, then you can probably wear whatever the hell you want (except red).


Sophia Brooks - Jul 09, 2010 4:07:59 am PDT #11325 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

WTF is she talking about?

I think that the burden of proof is on her for this one.

I thought maybe there was some new crazy muslim story, but I just looked all through Newsweek, and except for some blogs, they are pretty much debunking. She is terrified, though, and told me that the underlying premise in all wars is religion (I said it was power) and that Hitler and Mussolini started wars because of religion and wanting to get rid of the churches, and she thinks Obama is going to do the same.

The reason this bothers me is that she is a smart woman and a kind woman and a person with a strong sense of ethics, and a pretty much average lower middle class American, and if they are all being brainwashed, we are never going to get anywhere in this country, and that is scary to me.


Jars - Jul 09, 2010 4:08:10 am PDT #11326 of 30001

For the gift, ask if they've got a registry.

Aha! Good plan. I'll ask my MIL next time G calls home.


Jars - Jul 09, 2010 4:10:09 am PDT #11327 of 30001

Jars, pretty dress, but if you go for that you'd probably need a colorful scarf or shoes or both -- white is definitely frowned on at USian weddings, and the frowniness has slopped over to anything too close to white.

Hmm, thanks. Maybe I'll try and find something with a brighter colour or a floral print or something.


JZ - Jul 09, 2010 4:12:14 am PDT #11328 of 30001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Sophia, do you have the kind of relationship with her where you can just bluntly say to her what you just said to us? "I think you're a smart, kind and ethical person, and it bothers me that I can show you the Newsweek website and you can still believe what you've been told and disbelieve your own eyes and ears and brain. How can I have more faith in your wisdom than you do?"


Nilly - Jul 09, 2010 4:12:20 am PDT #11329 of 30001
Swouncing

Poking my head for a quick sec between working-on-the-weekend and preparations for shabbat because, according to the Buffista Calendar, tomorrow, the 10th, will be Sox' birthday, and I won't be near any sort of computer to wish her all sorts of good things she deserves on time. So lots of early wishes, today already!

As, of course, are timely wishes for short pleasant Fridays and lovely weekends all around.


Jessica - Jul 09, 2010 4:14:00 am PDT #11330 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Also, I'd say heels are definitely not required for a beach wedding, black tie or not. Dressy flats should be just fine.


Jesse - Jul 09, 2010 4:24:55 am PDT #11331 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

OMG Sophia. I just don't even know.

I don't particularly think of sleeveless as a work issue, but that might be Jamaica talking.

I think it's one of my weird old-lady opinions, so I would never try to impose it on anyone, which is why I'm secretly (not-so-secretly) glad when someone else does.

For the beach wedding, I'd say either flats or wedges. If you're just on the actual beach for the blessing, it should be brief. Or I bet women will have heels that they just take off for that part.