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§ ita § - Jan 10, 2010 7:47:11 pm PST #636 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Judaism doesn't allow hunting? It's religiously mandatory that you farm-raise meat? Hmm. I guess to mandate a kosher kill. I'd just never thought about it. But surely you could trap and then kill, right?


Hil R. - Jan 10, 2010 7:54:40 pm PST #637 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Well, the rules for kosher slaughter means that an animal that's shot with a gun (or a bow and arrow, or killed with anything other than a knife) can't be eaten, and there are also rules against killing animals needlessly, so that means no hunting for recreation, either. Trapping and then killing is iffy -- I don't know enough about the details of the law to totally say.


meara - Jan 10, 2010 7:58:39 pm PST #638 of 30001

So, what, come the apocalypse, all the kosher Jews are screwed? How did they survive before tame animals? I don't get it...


§ ita § - Jan 10, 2010 8:00:11 pm PST #639 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

There are hardship exceptions, right? I mean, if you get into a situation where you don't have any farmed meat, is it more important to not trap and go meatless?


Hil R. - Jan 10, 2010 8:02:41 pm PST #640 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'm pretty sure that tame animals have been around for longer than the rules of kashrut. I don't know about the apocalypse question -- according to at least one Jewish source, everybody will be vegetarian after the messiah comes, because Adam and Eve were vegetarian in Eden.


Hil R. - Jan 10, 2010 8:06:13 pm PST #641 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Well, I know of plenty of historical circumstances of religious Jews going vegetarian because they couldn't get kosher meat. The Talmud says that that's what Queen Esther did in the palace.

I don't really know the rules about trapping. I vaguely recall learning something about it, but I don't remember what.


Trudy Booth - Jan 10, 2010 8:11:34 pm PST #642 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

http://en.kendincos.net/video-lpttlfh-hunting-is-allowed-in-judaism-how-to-be-a-kosher-hunter-.html

No clue who this dude is, but he's talking about hunting for fur in biblical times.


Hil R. - Jan 10, 2010 8:13:11 pm PST #643 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

This looks like a decent summary of the Jewish view of treatment of animals, including hunting: [link] (That website is generally from an Orthodox perspective, and he usually takes the more liberal view if there are several accepted opinions within Orthodoxy.)


Trudy Booth - Jan 10, 2010 8:18:48 pm PST #644 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

He later went on to talk about culling overpopulated animals. I think he mostly wanted to be manly and shoot stuff -- but that's an impression based on enthusiasism, not any critique of scholarship.


shrift - Jan 10, 2010 8:23:40 pm PST #645 of 30001
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I'm trying to pay my credit card bill. It won't let me.

ISTG, this had better be a site glitch and not the prelude to another fun fraud battle.