But I understand. You gave up everything you had to find me. And you found me broken. It's hard for you.

River ,'Safe'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


juliana - Jan 26, 2010 8:31:44 pm PST #4310 of 30001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

It is not (historically at least) about Bright Young Things, Home Owners, Eurotrash or Trust Fund Kids.

As with so many things, the meaning has been co-opted by the BYTs.


Trudy Booth - Jan 26, 2010 8:36:27 pm PST #4311 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

As with so many things, the meaning has been co-opted by the BYTs.

Much like Williamsburg its self.


shrift - Jan 26, 2010 8:47:30 pm PST #4312 of 30001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

I'm going to conclude that hipsters are a largely mythical being existing only to be the subject of other people's ire.

I'd invite you to come with me to Wicker Park and see them in their natural habitat, but I haven't been over there in a while and they may have moved on to other Pabst Blue Ribbon watering holes.


javachik - Jan 26, 2010 9:10:15 pm PST #4313 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

"Hip" to me has a positive connotation, while "hipster" does not.


Trudy Booth - Jan 26, 2010 9:20:03 pm PST #4314 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Wikipedia has two Hipster pages. One is "1940s Subculture" one is "Contemporary Subculture".


DavidS - Jan 26, 2010 9:23:00 pm PST #4315 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

one is "Contemporary Subculture".

How is the contemporary version differentiated from sheer dickishness?


Trudy Booth - Jan 26, 2010 9:25:56 pm PST #4316 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

It's a special kind of dickishness.


juliana - Jan 26, 2010 9:30:32 pm PST #4317 of 30001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I'm going to conclude that hipsters are a largely mythical being existing only to be the subject of other people's ire.

I'd invite you to come with me to Wicker Park and see them in their natural habitat, but I haven't been over there in a while and they may have moved on to other Pabst Blue Ribbon watering holes.

He doesn't need to go that far - we've got 'em all over this city. Valencia is a hotbed, in particular.


Trudy Booth - Jan 26, 2010 9:32:47 pm PST #4318 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Heh. This is pretty cute:

In a Huffington Post article entitled "Who's a Hipster?", Julia Plevin argues that the "definition of 'hipster' remains opaque to anyone outside this self-proclaiming, highly-selective circle". She claims that the "whole point of hipsters is that they avoid labels and being labeled. However, they all dress the same and act the same and conform in their non-conformity" to an "iconic carefully created sloppy vintage look".


DavidS - Jan 26, 2010 9:39:20 pm PST #4319 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Elise Thompson, an editor for the LA blog LAist argues that "people who came of age in the 70s and 80s punk rock movement seem to universally hate 'hipsters'", which she defines as people wearing "expensive 'alternative' fashion[s]", going to the "latest, coolest, hippest bar...[and] listen[ing] to the latest, coolest, hippest band." Thompson argues that hipsters "...don’t seem to subscribe to any particular philosophy... [or] ...particular genre of music." Instead, she argues that they are "soldiers of fortune of style" who take up whatever is popular and in style, "appropriat[ing] the style[s]" of past countercultural movements such as punk, while "discard[ing] everything that the style stood for."[16]

I don't know. The co-option of cool as a marketable commodity is a pretty old gripe. Not that I don't think it happens, as obviously it does. It might be that it's reached a sort of peak of Uncooling All The Previous Cool things by marketing and clueless adoption.

Then again, every cohort that turns thirty and settles into their career/life/family declares that irony is dead when they really just mean they need to wear sensible shoes or their backs hurt.