Jayne: That's a good idea. Good idea. Tell us where the stuff's at so I can shoot you. Mal: Point of interest? Offering to shoot us might not work so well as an incentive as you might imagine.

'Out Of Gas'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Jan 26, 2010 9:32:47 pm PST #4318 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Heh. This is pretty cute:

In a Huffington Post article entitled "Who's a Hipster?", Julia Plevin argues that the "definition of 'hipster' remains opaque to anyone outside this self-proclaiming, highly-selective circle". She claims that the "whole point of hipsters is that they avoid labels and being labeled. However, they all dress the same and act the same and conform in their non-conformity" to an "iconic carefully created sloppy vintage look".


DavidS - Jan 26, 2010 9:39:20 pm PST #4319 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Elise Thompson, an editor for the LA blog LAist argues that "people who came of age in the 70s and 80s punk rock movement seem to universally hate 'hipsters'", which she defines as people wearing "expensive 'alternative' fashion[s]", going to the "latest, coolest, hippest bar...[and] listen[ing] to the latest, coolest, hippest band." Thompson argues that hipsters "...don’t seem to subscribe to any particular philosophy... [or] ...particular genre of music." Instead, she argues that they are "soldiers of fortune of style" who take up whatever is popular and in style, "appropriat[ing] the style[s]" of past countercultural movements such as punk, while "discard[ing] everything that the style stood for."[16]

I don't know. The co-option of cool as a marketable commodity is a pretty old gripe. Not that I don't think it happens, as obviously it does. It might be that it's reached a sort of peak of Uncooling All The Previous Cool things by marketing and clueless adoption.

Then again, every cohort that turns thirty and settles into their career/life/family declares that irony is dead when they really just mean they need to wear sensible shoes or their backs hurt.


DavidS - Jan 26, 2010 9:43:53 pm PST #4320 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

This is a pretty deft analysis:

Rob Horning developed a critique of hipsterism in his April 2009 article "The Death of the Hipster" in PopMatters, exploring several possible definitions for the hipster. He muses that the hipster might be the "embodiment of postmodernism as a spent force, revealing what happens when pastiche and irony exhaust themselves as aesthetics," or might be "...a kind of permanent cultural middleman in hypermediated late capitalism, selling out alternative sources of social power developed by outsider groups, just as the original 'white negros' evinced by Norman Mailer did to the original, pre-pejorative 'hipsters'—blacks...." Horning also proposed that the role of hipsters may be to "... appropriat[e] the new cultural capital forms, delivering them to mainstream media in a commercial form and stripping their inventors... of the power and the glory...".[15] Horning argues that the "...problem with hipsters" is the "way in which they reduce the particularity of anything you might be curious about or invested in into the same dreary common denominator of how 'cool' it is perceived to be," as "...just another signifier of personal identity."

Particularly this bit...

Furthermore, he argues that the "hipster is defined by a lack of authenticity, by a sense of lateness to the scene" or the way that they transform the situation into a "self-conscious scene, something others can scrutinize and exploit."

This complaint is basically small subcultures bitching about Poseurs and Wannabes writ large.


Jesse - Jan 27, 2010 1:30:52 am PST #4321 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Can there be a cute way to expose ass crack?

Jeans makers apparently think so! @@

I woke up early and decided not to go back to sleep. This may have been a mistake.


Theodosia - Jan 27, 2010 2:29:46 am PST #4322 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I woke up tragically early too. And managed only to doze until I finally threw in the towel at 6 AM.


Jesse - Jan 27, 2010 2:36:32 am PST #4323 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I've had breakfast and watched White Collar. Maybe a shower next? My alarm will go off shortly...


Tom Scola - Jan 27, 2010 2:40:30 am PST #4324 of 30001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

White Collar was shot two blocks from my home!


Jesse - Jan 27, 2010 2:44:45 am PST #4325 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Fun!

I am reminded of going to the movies with a friend (it was that Ben Affleck car accident movie?) and she yelled out loud in the theater when they were outside her office building.


Theodosia - Jan 27, 2010 3:05:30 am PST #4326 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

I think I mentioned here that my old job was at a swanky Back Bay office building, but I always wondered why there were tourists posing in the courtyard for pictures -- it isn't that striking. Turns out it's the building that supposedly James Spader and William Shatner work in, in that TV show that I forget the name of.


Jesse - Jan 27, 2010 3:23:08 am PST #4327 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Boston Legal? That's funny!