Old trusty soda machine. I push you for root beer, you give me Coke.

Willow ,'End of Days'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Gudanov - May 11, 2010 10:35:38 am PDT #28841 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

I do get annoyed at the pundits who talk about the oil leak as "Obama's Katrina". The coast guard was there from the very beginning and really, what's the military going to do aside from put out oil booms and I get the impression that those were already getting put out? It's fair to criticize him for not making a public statement earlier though.


Gudanov - May 11, 2010 10:38:15 am PDT #28842 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

Evidently one of the policies they decided on was to skip on requiring a $.5m extra-safety valve for deep wells of this type.

From what I understand, and I might be wrong, it wouldn't have helped. It would be a back-up method of activating the blowout preventer that busted.


Sophia Brooks - May 11, 2010 10:46:18 am PDT #28843 of 30001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Speaking of smoking, I am listening to a thing about the new tobacco laws, and everyone seems SHOCKED that there is ammonia in cigarettes. I smoke Marlboro Lites, and I totally can smell the ammonia when I first open the pack. Also, cleaning with ammonia makes me want a cigarette.


beekaytee - May 11, 2010 10:49:33 am PDT #28844 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

I took Dana's initial point to be that folks are going to say insensitive things in ANY such case where unfavorable comparison will elevate one's position.

We do it all the time, and especially with the 'branding' of every major event...Obama's Katrina, indeed!

We seem to have lost all perspective on 'there will always be greater or lesser people/things/circumstances' so why bother jockeying for position when you could be focusing your energy on dealing the best you can with what is in front of you.

Honestly. That's what bugs me the most. I've never seen a situation where casting aspersions either prevented some subsequent disaster or served as any kind of learning opportunity.

I just want to say to the people who spend their precious energy pointing fingers like that to shut up and help. Or, at the very least, shut up and go away.

Erk. I think I've just uncovered an 'issue.'


Steph L. - May 11, 2010 10:51:19 am PDT #28845 of 30001
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I keep getting the feeling that BP just didn't plan for this eventuality. They seem so ill prepared to deal with this sort of failure.

I saw an interview with the president (or CEO; basically a Very High-Up Person at BP) on CNN just a few days ago. Not an in-studio interview, but at the site of the spill. And the reporter asked why there hadn't been a plan in place in case something like this happened, and the CEO basically said, "Well, nothing like this has ever happened before."

Well played, BP.


Ginger - May 11, 2010 10:56:14 am PDT #28846 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Although some have claimed that an atomic bomb would seal things right up....

Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

In the nuclear industry, you tend to sneer at other industries' failsafes. The fact that no one outside the plant has been hurt in 50 years of commercial nuclear operation has been the result of an amount of federal and industry regulation and oversight that no other industry gets anywhere near.

Years of Republican dominance and its denigration of government actions and regulation created agencies so undermined and filled with cronies that the result is FEMA's response to Katrina, the Wall Street meltdown and now the oil leak.


Frankenbuddha - May 11, 2010 10:58:00 am PDT #28847 of 30001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

Less than threes Ginger


Barb - May 11, 2010 10:58:18 am PDT #28848 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

And of course, I want to get a Newfoundland. The hairiest, drooliest, biggest dog around.

That was our first dog. Raised him from a puppy. And we wound up with the one Newf in the history of all Newfs who didn't family bond, despite equal and massive amounts of time spent with both of us (at the time) but only bonded with me and as such, developed a very defensive attitude and became aggressive with Lewis.

We worked and trained and worked some more with him until two things happened-- he turned on Lewis during a walk and bit him for no discernible reason and I became pregnant. It broke my heart, but we had to give him back to the breeder (as per our contract). Despite the fact that we were doing what was best for everyone, the breeder held me responsible and made me feel absolutely miserable for having failed Boomer.

It took a lot of faith to get Jake (our chocolate lab) but he wound up being the best dog ever, so I've finally been able to put Boomer in the "tried my best, but even then, it doesn't always work" category.

Still feel a little guilty though.


Kathy A - May 11, 2010 11:02:35 am PDT #28849 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Although some have claimed that an atomic bomb would seal things right up....

Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

But this installation has a substantial dollar value attached to it!


tommyrot - May 11, 2010 11:06:11 am PDT #28850 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

They can bill me!