I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Jan 19, 2010 3:40:38 pm PST #2733 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Is there any published "literary" fic based on a source material still under copyright? All the ones I can think of are riffing on public domain material, which obviously makes a huge difference when you're trying to get paid for it.

That would be a huge factor in modern extrapolations.

Of course Shakespeare was incorporating existing stories. Three Penny Opera and Sweeney Todd are both the umpteenth retelling of their stories. I've heard Arlo Guthrie and other musicians joke about "the folk process" being what they just do and other folks would consider "stealing". So there are lots of examples of artistic midrash (if you will).

I think I'm going to go with "published for sale" v. "distributed for free among friends/peers" for the not-bright line distinction between other adaptive stories and current fan fiction.


Amy - Jan 19, 2010 3:44:33 pm PST #2734 of 30001
Because books.

I feel certain that Panic! at the Disco would be pleased that this is the conversation that arose out of asking who the hell they were.


javachik - Jan 19, 2010 3:48:46 pm PST #2735 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Hmmmm. I can think of a book that I liked that was fic of the Bible: The Red Tent. Does that count?


javachik - Jan 19, 2010 3:49:23 pm PST #2736 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

And now I am off to driving in traffic to meet book group to talk about my faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave: Catch-22, which is not fic. That I know of.


-t - Jan 19, 2010 3:50:30 pm PST #2737 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

If they're fic, they can't be canon, right? So yeah, I vote we count them as unfuckingbelievably bad fanfic.

That just seems right, doesn't it?


Jesse - Jan 19, 2010 3:54:06 pm PST #2738 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Fuuuuuuck. Brown is winning.


-t - Jan 19, 2010 3:55:14 pm PST #2739 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

there was also "The Wind Done Gone" from the POV of the slaves/freed slaves, right?

That was ruled to be satire in the copyright case brought by MItchell's heirs.

Love The Red Tent.


-t - Jan 19, 2010 3:57:18 pm PST #2740 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

You know who would know the proper literary term to use? T-Rex. He could illustrate it for us amusingly by conversing with his dinosaur friends, and perhaps a tiny elephant.


shrift - Jan 19, 2010 4:00:15 pm PST #2741 of 30001
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Whoa, okay. I just caught up on the whole bandom-adjacent mess that I think Jilli mentioned earlier, and it does not surprise me that band involved was All Time Low. Their fans are craxy to the max.


Jesse - Jan 19, 2010 4:04:32 pm PST #2742 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That's funny -- the only thing I know about that band is they are my coworker's daughter's favorite, and she (coworker) randomly had a drink with the lead singer once when she took her daughter to a show. She didn't know who he was until after.