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Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


-t - Jan 19, 2010 3:12:03 pm PST #2714 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I'll only read fic on someone's recommendation; sometimes I'll like it, sometimes I won't. Wicked (the book) made me a little cranky (did love the musical, though). I get unreasonably angry about the portrayal of Eeyore in the Tao of Pooh. If Brian Herbert's prequels to Dune count as fic, I certainly hate those (I hate them no matter what, but that may or may not be relevant. So it's a dicey area for me to poke into.

OTOH, I am like Sophia when it comes to mystery and scifi authors - I'll come upon one book I like and feel compelled to find d read everything else by that writer. It's almost inevitable that I'll eventually read something that is disappointing or that I'll out and out hate. So, not exactly safer.


Jessica - Jan 19, 2010 3:14:11 pm PST #2715 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

If Brian Herbert's prequels to Dune count as fic, I certainly hate those (I hate them no matter what, but that may or may not be relevant.

If they're fic, they can't be canon, right? So yeah, I vote we count them as unfuckingbelievably bad fanfic.


Dana - Jan 19, 2010 3:19:44 pm PST #2716 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

like that one Aubrey/Maturin where they were in space and Jack turned into a woman for some reason?

That's two different stories, though they're part of the same series by the same author.


Amy - Jan 19, 2010 3:21:09 pm PST #2717 of 30001
Because books.

I do think fanfic as a term carries with a connotation of something that's not written for a profit, though. I'm trying to think of the fancy word given to stuff like Wicked and the Jane Austen spinoffs, and not coming up with it, though.


Steph L. - Jan 19, 2010 3:21:58 pm PST #2718 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Wicked and the Jane Austen spinoffs

Also Wide Sargasso Sea. Basically.


DavidS - Jan 19, 2010 3:23:41 pm PST #2719 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I'm trying to think of the fancy word given to stuff like Wicked and the Jane Austen spinoffs, and not coming up with it, though.

Well, there's a whole long literary tradition of basically writing fic and there's been a ton of it in the last twenty years.

The first one I can think of is The Wide Sargasso Sea by Jean Rhys which tells the story of Rochester's wife.

But there's been Ahab's Wife and Foe (Robinson Crusoe from the pov of Friday), Updike's rewrite of The Scarlet Letter etc. etc.


Amy - Jan 19, 2010 3:24:08 pm PST #2720 of 30001
Because books.

Yeah, Wide Sargasso Sea, H (which was a novel of Heathcliff's lost years) -- there are a lot of them. I think the literary community, since most of them usually deal with classics or the canon in one way or another, usually call them "reimaginings" or something.


Jessica - Jan 19, 2010 3:24:18 pm PST #2721 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

So then what is fic? Is it anything that isn't written by the original author? Whatabout once an author is dead but stuff is still "published" by her like V.C. Andrews?

I think in order to be fanfic, it has to be written outside the source material's canon, and probably without official approval. So I'd say the VC Andrews novels written by other people don't count because they're still an official part of the series. But Pride and Prejudice and Zombies definitely does.

(The Dune prequels are fuzzy because they're supposedly being written based on Frank Herbert's notes (I guess the notes he wrote while HIGH ON CRACK) and obviously his estate holds the copyright to the original works and is behind the prequels and they're meant to be a part of the official canonical Dune universe, but ZOMG THEY ARE UNREADABLE DRECK AND I HATE THEM SO MUCH. Sure, Chapterhouse had it's issues, but at least it didn't make stupid mistakes about the main character's freaking origin story.)

t /Dunerant


Hil R. - Jan 19, 2010 3:25:20 pm PST #2722 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'm trying to think of the fancy word given to stuff like Wicked and the Jane Austen spinoffs, and not coming up with it, though.

Pastiche?


Anne W. - Jan 19, 2010 3:26:03 pm PST #2723 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Deconstruction?