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Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Jan 19, 2010 3:24:18 pm PST #2721 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

So then what is fic? Is it anything that isn't written by the original author? Whatabout once an author is dead but stuff is still "published" by her like V.C. Andrews?

I think in order to be fanfic, it has to be written outside the source material's canon, and probably without official approval. So I'd say the VC Andrews novels written by other people don't count because they're still an official part of the series. But Pride and Prejudice and Zombies definitely does.

(The Dune prequels are fuzzy because they're supposedly being written based on Frank Herbert's notes (I guess the notes he wrote while HIGH ON CRACK) and obviously his estate holds the copyright to the original works and is behind the prequels and they're meant to be a part of the official canonical Dune universe, but ZOMG THEY ARE UNREADABLE DRECK AND I HATE THEM SO MUCH. Sure, Chapterhouse had it's issues, but at least it didn't make stupid mistakes about the main character's freaking origin story.)

t /Dunerant


Hil R. - Jan 19, 2010 3:25:20 pm PST #2722 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'm trying to think of the fancy word given to stuff like Wicked and the Jane Austen spinoffs, and not coming up with it, though.

Pastiche?


Anne W. - Jan 19, 2010 3:26:03 pm PST #2723 of 30001
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Deconstruction?


Amy - Jan 19, 2010 3:27:03 pm PST #2724 of 30001
Because books.

Pastiche is more an imitation of style, not a new exploration of story elements.


Steph L. - Jan 19, 2010 3:27:56 pm PST #2725 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I'm trying to think of the fancy word given to stuff like Wicked and the Jane Austen spinoffs, and not coming up with it, though.

All I can think of is midrash, but that's specific to the Jewish scriptures, right?


Jessica - Jan 19, 2010 3:28:25 pm PST #2726 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

That's two different stories, though they're part of the same series by the same author.

I read them so long ago they have merged into one gloriously wacky AU in my head!


Amy - Jan 19, 2010 3:29:43 pm PST #2727 of 30001
Because books.

All I can think of is midrash, but that's specific to the Jewish scriptures, right?

I think so, although I saw lots of people giving that name to The Red Tent.


Jessica - Jan 19, 2010 3:30:02 pm PST #2728 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Is there any published "literary" fic based on a source material still under copyright? All the ones I can think of are riffing on public domain material, which obviously makes a huge difference when you're trying to get paid for it.


Amy - Jan 19, 2010 3:31:48 pm PST #2729 of 30001
Because books.

There was the continuation of Gone With the Wind, and the V.C. Andrews stuff (and some Ludlum, I believe), but I don't know if you want to call that "literary".


Trudy Booth - Jan 19, 2010 3:34:17 pm PST #2730 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I think "unpublished" is part of what makes something fic.

Granted, that line is starting to blur... and the differences between "published" "self published" "small press" "on the web" and a dozen other incrimentals are a shift that we likely won't be coming back from any time soon.

But, to the extent that it can still be used, "Published" "fic" is something more like an homage or an "in the style of" or a licensing arrangement. "Fan Fiction" is more like something written by fans to amuse themselves and their friends.