I am not...I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for 5 years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that. What a wonder...how very scared I am.

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


msbelle - May 03, 2010 9:12:50 am PDT #27048 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

IlesshorrificN - mmm chili lime peanuts.


Burrell - May 03, 2010 9:19:11 am PDT #27049 of 30001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

ugh, one of my adoption lists is exploding

Yipes msbelle, how distressing. I can't really imagine how to start coping with a revelation like that.


beekaytee - May 03, 2010 9:33:57 am PDT #27050 of 30001
Compassionately intolerant

Good to hear you are well, if at work, Kate.


Beverly - May 03, 2010 9:35:16 am PDT #27051 of 30001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Oh msbelle, so horrible, so sad. All the chili lime peanuts in the world for you.


Vortex - May 03, 2010 9:40:21 am PDT #27052 of 30001
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

So, I'm home sick today, and watching Quincy, ME. I'm amused that today's storyline is an anthrax issue. I hadn't realized that the idea was so old.


msbelle - May 03, 2010 9:41:02 am PDT #27053 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Thanks guys. I'm not sure what it changes for me, really. The possibility of abuse in mac's history is there, but not a definate. My heart just breaks for the families of the abusers. No one knew at the time of the adoption.


meara - May 03, 2010 9:41:46 am PDT #27054 of 30001

ugh, one of my adoption lists is exploding

That's so awful that it sounds like an episode of Law and Order SVU, man. Yesh.


Fred Pete - May 03, 2010 9:50:52 am PDT #27055 of 30001
Ann, that's a ferret.

because crossing a border so you can get a job and feed your family is exctly like, oh, say, planting a car bomb in the middle of Times Square

Part of the problem is that illegal immigrants cross the border for many reasons. Crossing for employment reasons, economic opportunity, and the like certainly doesn't deserve to be labeled as terrorism.

But at the same time, a subset of people cross the border for more sinister reasons. I've heard Phoenix described as the Kidnapping Capital of America. Mexican organized crime rings cross the border and kidnap people for ransom. I'm not sure that qualifies as terrorism, either, at least not using a strict definition. But it's legitimate to take very strong action against people that do that.

But even assuming for the sake of argument that the Arizona law will accomplish anything on that (and I'm not convinced it would), the downsides are far greater. They've been raised repeatedly around here, so I won't go into detail. I'll just mention the potential for racial profiling and the authority of any citizen to sue on the grounds of insufficiently aggressive enforcement.

So ultimately, I go in the category of "something needs to be done." I'll let others argue over where it belings in the priority list. But the Arizona law is not the way to go.


bon bon - May 03, 2010 10:05:28 am PDT #27056 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I wanted to point out something similar to what Fred said. People in Arizona don't support this law because they're all just straight-up racist dummies; they feel genuinely under attack by crimes attributed to Mexican drug lords and others profiting from illegal border crossing.


lisah - May 03, 2010 10:07:40 am PDT #27057 of 30001
Punishingly Intricate

That is just heartbreaking, msbelle.