Xander: How? What? How? Giles: Three excellent questions.

Xander/Giles ,'Never Leave Me'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Apr 28, 2010 8:26:34 am PDT #25841 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

tommyrot, what makes that noteworthy?

Well, you mentioned it was a woman.

She was, though, (or identified as such) when it all started, wasn't she?

Heck, I got the "psychic marriage" thing wrong, too, so I'm not the most reliable source of LotR wacko fandom info.


tommyrot - Apr 28, 2010 8:28:15 am PDT #25842 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

She was, though, when it all started, wasn't she?

Yeah.

I get confused on whether gender identity should be backdated in cases like this....


Gudanov - Apr 28, 2010 8:28:39 am PDT #25843 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

tommyrot, what makes that noteworthy?

It was helpful for me, I just popped the link open and skimmed for a few seconds. The contrast between names and pronouns was confusing.


tommyrot - Apr 28, 2010 8:33:35 am PDT #25844 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

ION, this io9 headline confused me for a second: Were-Monkeys? Were-Fish? Were-Ferrets? New Anthology Is Open To Going Any-Were.


Jessica - Apr 28, 2010 8:34:19 am PDT #25845 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I get confused on whether gender identity should be backdated in cases like this....

I always think the best way to proceed is to use the pronouns the individual person prefers, but fandom_wank isn't exactly set up for that.


Steph L. - Apr 28, 2010 8:34:25 am PDT #25846 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

get confused on whether gender identity should be backdated in cases like this....

I totally don't know. Not doing it helps delineate the time period, but doing it maintains continuity. I assume everyone's preference on that varies, but if you're talking about someone not present, you often might not know their preference.

There should be a handbook. That would make things so much easier.

t edit Or, what Jess said.


Gudanov - Apr 28, 2010 8:36:28 am PDT #25847 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

Twilight won, really? I feel like that's such a pop culture blip. Or am I just super hopeful that twenty years from now, we'll have forgotten about all that?

I think you might be right. It seems like the big fandoms have a lot more to play with in terms of made-up cultures, settings, languages, and what not.


Gudanov - Apr 28, 2010 8:37:43 am PDT #25848 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

Alas, my porny Tolkien pun got nothing.


Polter-Cow - Apr 28, 2010 8:38:51 am PDT #25849 of 30001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Yeah, I'm thinking they didn't take the tinhat contingent of LoTR fandom into account.

Is this referring to something specific? I'm not sure what you're talking about.


Shari_H - Apr 28, 2010 8:40:02 am PDT #25850 of 30001
Keep breathing!

Timelies, all, or happy lunch break in this timezone...

One last (hopefully clarifying) note on immigration and then I'll shut up about the topic and talk about cats or something:

The system is awful, it endangers us, hurts people, and needs fixin'. Immigration is a beautiful thing when "managed" and the people who get here with nothing and whose grandkids go to college and become doctors and such - bless 'em all.

But illegal immigration is a problem. There are several choices, including a) change the laws - long-term issue; b) enforce the laws on the books, build the border wall, etc as promised; c) declare amnesty - or some combination of the three.

But the law is the law (until you change it). When the laws are bad and/or aren't enforced, tragic human suffering ensues (dying in the desert, being deported, exploitation of workers, etc.) The current system has to change.

Arizona's new law is bad in ways, but it's an effort to do something about a real problem. Since the Obama administration has decided to put immigration on the front burner now, we'll be hearing about this for a while.

Thanks for hearing me out, folks.

Look, a cat!