They were doing a story about this on NPR last night and some dude who loves this law kept saying, "This country was founded on laws and the obeying of those laws" or something. At which point I yelled, "No. This country was founded on ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. So shut it yokel."

Do you need to be a citizen to get a driver's license?

No. In most states, if you're not a citizen, you need to show your visa, but you don't need to be a citizen.

Is a driver's license enough,

HA! illegals can get those!

certificate of citizenship. I am getting one for mac, because a passport is not always enough to get people to BACK THE FUCK OFF. Ahem. His permenant residence card is what we use now.

So sure, those people born and raised here who have the gaul to have non-white skin, they best start acting like the immigrants they are in their hearts and learn about these awesome registration cards I mean revenue streams I mean terrorism deterants issued by Homeland Security once you can PROVE you're 'merican.

You do not need to be a citizen to get a driver's license. If I understand the law correctly, you would need a birth certificate, passport, or naturalization papers/green card/etc.

One of our old cars has returned. We sold it (at a low price) to my FIL years ago. Now my FIL has bought a truck (yay, we know someone we can borrow a truck from!) and they are keeping the car at our house until we decide what to do with it. They proposed giving it to us, but we negotiated to half book value (about $500-750). It wouldn't cost much to insure and it's mechanically sound, but we don't really need it.

OTOH, the kids are getting too big for my little Civic hatchback (which would become a commuting-only car) and if it went down, we wouldn't have to buy a replacement. It's a good problem to have, but it's turning into a tough decision.

They were doing a story about this on NPR last night and some dude who loves this law kept saying, "This country was founded on laws and the obeying of those laws" or something. At which point I yelled, "No. This country was founded on ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. So shut it yokel."

That guy clearly never saw Bill Murray's speech in Stripes.

Do you need to be a citizen to get a driver's license?

Isn't this a state by state thing?

Swifty is going to be at the vet through tomorrow at least. I'm panicking a bit thinking about the $$$$. Universe! I need to pay for my wedding this year! sheesh.

We are getting our dj for the cost of boozing and feeding him, though.

I hate this law more than anybody and what is becoming a close second? My "brothers and sisters" calling everyone in the state a racist, illiterate pigfucker because sorting things out is just too confusing. I probably have it coming, karmically, because I was sort of raised to believe that every person in the South knew where those Freedom Riders went and didn't say anything.(We're so inferior...we like knowing there's somebody to hate worse. Sorry, Southerners.) I'm already embarrassed about living here...the descriptions of my family brushing our tooth in the morning seem gratuitous.

Isn't this a state by state thing?

Oh yeah, of course it is.

If I understand the law correctly, you would need a birth certificate, passport, or naturalization papers/green card/etc.

So things natural-born citizens don't typically carry around. Awesome.