I caught her on a park bench, making out with a *chaos* demon! Have you ever seen a chaos demon? They're all slime and antlers.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Apr 26, 2010 9:07:21 pm PDT #25369 of 30001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I'm sure your mom would love to see you, Auntie Shrift. Then maybe you could chase her out the door for a massage (or have someone come to the house if that's stress-inducing in its own way).


Cass - Apr 26, 2010 9:10:40 pm PDT #25370 of 30001
Bob's learned to live with tragedy, but he knows that this tragedy is one that won't ever leave him or get better.

But having help with grandma may be the best thing I can give her right now.

It's an amazing gift to give. Any help or respite at all.

And congrats on more Aunt-ness.


Strix - Apr 26, 2010 9:35:32 pm PDT #25371 of 30001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Congrats, Auntie!


Calli - Apr 27, 2010 1:36:26 am PDT #25372 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

I'm sure feeling free to get out and about for a weekend, or even an afternoon, would be appreciated, shrift. And congrats on the new auntness. Being an aunt is terrific.


Stephanie - Apr 27, 2010 3:10:06 am PDT #25373 of 30001
Trust my rage

Not surprisingly,I suppose, I agree with everything above regarding the AZ law and like bon bon, I don't think the law will be around very long. Besides the federal/state issue, which is huge, I'm not sure how you enforce a law without violating civil rights when the cop is supposed to just...decide who to ask without racial profiling.

But the one thing I always point out in this discussion s that immigration law is administrative, not criminal. Yes, there are some immigration crimes (meaning you can be charged criminally) but in those cases you a) can get a public defender and b) have full access to the Constitution. But those crimes are small in number and rarely prosecuted. They DON'T include being here without a visa or overstaying your visa. So are those people violating a law? Yes, but not a criminal one.

Of course, the real fiction here is calling removal, or deportation, an "administrative penalty". It upends someone's entire life and in many cases is worse than jail. But until we start providing non-citizens with an attorney to defend themselves, and a hearing in which they have full access to the Constitution, I hate hearing immigrants called criminals when the context is simply being here without a visa.


Jessica - Apr 27, 2010 3:48:57 am PDT #25374 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But the one thing I always point out in this discussion s that immigration law is administrative, not criminal. Yes, there are some immigration crimes (meaning you can be charged criminally) but in those cases you a) can get a public defender and b) have full access to the Constitution. But those crimes are small in number and rarely prosecuted. They DON'T include being here without a visa or overstaying your visa. So are those people violating a law? Yes, but not a criminal one.

Pfft. You and your facts.


Jesse - Apr 27, 2010 3:50:57 am PDT #25375 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I kinda feel like that's a bit of a mommy faux pas, not making the birthday dessert for the family celebration,

Burrell, NO. Was it festive? Yes. Was it delicious? Yes. You have done your mommy duty in spades.

Nevermind that every time I encountered this? Their families had been settled legally in this country longer than my own pale ass family.

Yeah, I had a Chicana roommate in college who was from San Antonio, and I'm pretty sure her family had never immigrated anywhere -- they were there when it was Mexico, and stayed when it became Texas.

But having help with grandma may be the best thing I can give her right now.

I think so, too, shrift.


msbelle - Apr 27, 2010 4:35:50 am PDT #25376 of 30001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Man, I do not f'in get people.

The place where I exit the subway for the new office space is a small staircase in a busy area the larger exit area is closed due to construction and has been for a while. because there are so many people for a small staircase and the traffic flow is heqavy out of the station in the morning, there is a sign posted that this one entrance is EXIT ONLY from 8am - 10am. Every morning there are people entering though. Making it a one pathway exit instead of a two pathway exit like it should be, so I get in the second pathway and yell at people who are trying to come in. Today a guy backed up 4 steps as I came up yelling at him. F'in people, cross the damn street!

Also? at work, we have those single serve coffee thingies. We have like 10 varieties. People use the last one from a box, leave the empty box there. Then someone else goes to the drawer, opens a new box and takes one serving out, but STILL does not replace the empty one on the shelf! WTF is wrong with people. I bet they drink straight from the milk carton and put the empty carton back in the fridge also.

I may actually get into a fist fight today.


Theodosia - Apr 27, 2010 4:56:03 am PDT #25377 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Smite on, msbelle!

I'm on day 4 of this cold. I'm turning to dextromethorphan as my last, best hope, even if it makes me very floaty. I got my first Census assignment yesterday and I want to be able to canvas my assigned neighborhood block this afternoon!


Calli - Apr 27, 2010 4:57:13 am PDT #25378 of 30001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Yeah, I had a Chicana roommate in college who was from San Antonio, and I'm pretty sure her family had never immigrated anywhere -- they were there when it was Mexico, and stayed when it became Texas.

Yep. The Mexican cession brought thousands of people into the US whose families had been on that land for centuries. Yet I, someone whose great grandparents (on one side) were dealing with a Tsar infestation, would be the one who could wander around Arizona, paper-free, and not worry about getting deported to Finland. Madness.