OK, its looking like the shitty thing is that psycho step-mother had her poor 12 year old daughter help her quite a bit. The kid bought the sleeping pills, watched while her mother shoot him, helped get rid of the body, cleaned up the blood. That poor baby. Still not worth that much spooky-voice.

I typed without thinking. I meant I doubt that the prevalence of child sex abuse in the Catholic Church is confined just to the developed nations of the West. I'd wager that there is just as much abuse (and perhaps more) in Central and South America and Africa as there has been in the US and Europe. But it's possible that those abuses won't come to light for decades or centuries.

I think the entire hierarchical structure of the Catholic Church enables abuse of all sorts to happen. And when you run around and claim papal infallibility (with the extension of that some type of infallibility of clergy in general) then you create a system where victimization is easier to cover up.

Pics, Dana!
 
Oh, I forgot! I bought shoes! They are super cute; I need to post a pic. I buy shoes so rarely. But these should see me through the slightly dressier events. I wore them with Perkins` dress!

We need Pictures, Liese!

The coverup is what is, um, "special". That it went on so long and thoroughly at so many levels, that it's so elaborate, that they're so indignant about it. That law enforcement rarely? Never? Start getting warrants and kicking in doors.

When you'd think, or at least you'd hope, that they'd be simply HORRIFIED and rush to help the people that were hurt.

Which, actually, is what the Hare Krishnas did. When ISKCON found out there were abusers in their residential schools they shut the frikkin schools, they hired an outside investigator, they set up a fund for the victims, they bankrupted themselves cleaning out that cancer.

Predators are going to make efforts to get near vulnerable children. It is going to happen in religious institutions too. Sometimes its prosecuted, sometimes its hushed-up... but Rome's hush-up is special in its hugeness.

Now I'm watching clips from The Music Man on YouTube. That show has a whole lot of songs with really fun rhythms.

I think the entire hierarchical structure of the Catholic Church enables abuse of all sorts to happen. And when you run around and claim papal infallibility (with the extension of that some type of infallibility of clergy in general) then you create a system where victimization is easier to cover up.

So much this.

I don't think priests (or Catholics generally, to be clear) are necessarily especially prone to anything, or that any geog region makes a difference. But I do think that a) it's plausible that men who are both religious and uncomfortabe with sex and their own sexuality (and that's not unrelated), might gravitate to the church; and b) that is compounded by the rigid hierarchical structure and culture of denial and secrecy to create a uniquely horrific scenario.

brenda, I totally agree with that aspect too!

I was commenting on the geography mainly because a few years back, I remember reading commentary from some of the bishops from Africa who were basically saying that the abuse was uniquely American and I just think that is so not true. Lemme see if I can find a link.

Trudy, exactly! This is the part that's so hard to understand. I'll have to look up what the Krisnas did. But yeah.

At this point ( and I haven't looked deeply into it, which I need to do) when the Milwaukee stuff came up, the mention of Rembert Weakland, formerly the archbishop, was that it happened before his time but he was shouting at the Vatican to do something. Which fits with my view of him. I believe he's been excommunicated.

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OK, on Dateline this body has been moved several times. I am officially creeped.

But I do think that a) it's plausible that men who are both religious and uncomfortabe with sex and their own sexuality (and that's not unrelated), might gravitate to the church; and b) that is compounded by the rigid hierarchical structure and culture of denial and secrecy to create a uniquely horrific scenario.

One of the things that surprises me when you hear church officials talk about it is that they talk about the temptation of "sex". Something is not clicking in their heads that this is WAY worse than plain old betrayal of celibacy vows. So in addition to the dude who's an actual pedophile you have a supervisor who is kind of a twelve year old about "doing it".