I see your uhhhhhhhhhhh and raise you a gnyeh.

Buffy ,'Potential'


Natter 65: Speed Limit Enforced by Aircraft  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, pandas, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Mar 02, 2010 1:13:55 pm PST #12681 of 30001

I had 2 crowns put in and two cavities filled. What hurts? Injection sites and my jaw for being propped open for 90 minutes. The teeth that were worked on? Nope. In fact, I can't figure out where the second filling is.


§ ita § - Mar 02, 2010 1:16:52 pm PST #12682 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm looking at this article looking for weaker women characters in movies and TV, and I only kind of agree with her. Because I can't let go of my Zoe love. I think that they often cripple an otherwise strong woman with a neurosis so she can't be too capable or too cool. Oh, she can kick your ass, but ha-ha, look what she can't do.

The idea of making more female characters neurotic like Elliot on Scrubs or fall down like Lucy on I Love Lucy makes me shiver. But I totally get the point that Megan Fox's character in Transformers is just a marionnette ideal and not even a character at all.


brenda m - Mar 02, 2010 1:22:29 pm PST #12683 of 30001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

my jaw for being propped open for 90 minutes

Oh yeah, that's by far the worst part.


Dana - Mar 02, 2010 1:26:44 pm PST #12684 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

Reading the Firefly thread with mieskie now. He's just asserted that the New York Times "is not a big paper nationally."

Good times, good times.


Dana - Mar 02, 2010 1:33:30 pm PST #12685 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

Also, wow, reading the whole thread all at once (I mean, not the whole thread, but you know), it's so incredibly obvious that mieskie and schmoker/Anathema are the same person.


bon bon - Mar 02, 2010 1:34:09 pm PST #12686 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

I admittedly only skimmed that "strong women" article but boy did she miss the point. If you think the solution to the problem of how women are presented on tv is just to create them with one flaw, you've missed all feminist criticism.


§ ita § - Mar 02, 2010 1:35:37 pm PST #12687 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

A much shorter article is "create well-rounded female characters, huh?" I disagree with most all of the specific suggestions as trivial and unhelpful. Some of the characters she mentions are well-rounded, some are horrific.


javachik - Mar 02, 2010 1:38:58 pm PST #12688 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Wow, Dana, you had more than one instance of one person/many characters on the board? I thought Gus was the only one.

I mean, apart from me/megan and juliana/Smonster.


Sheryl - Mar 02, 2010 1:39:51 pm PST #12689 of 30001
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

Must go make dinner...


Jessica - Mar 02, 2010 1:39:56 pm PST #12690 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Once your female characters have some depth to them, it doesn’t really matter if the male hero saves them or not. For instance, Batman saved Rachel Dawes a couple of times, but I never saw her as only a Damsel in Distress

I agree with the first sentence. But to use Rachel Dawes as an example of a movie character with depth...makes my brain hurt.