Jayne: We was just about to spring into action, Captain. Complicated escape and rescue op. Wash: I was going to watch. It was very exciting.

'Shindig'


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Jessica - Dec 10, 2009 3:38:46 pm PST #3178 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Sometimes I wish I believed.

I don't. I thought I was a believer for a long time. Once I realized I wasn't, my worldview became internally consistent, and I prefer it that way. I was never happy having to handwave my own brain.

(But hey, as an interesting historical aside, did we all know that the Roman government in the early years of Christianity considered Christians to be atheists? True story! All we've done in modern times is lower the threshhold for # of gods needed to qualify for believer status.)


Sophia Brooks - Dec 10, 2009 3:43:08 pm PST #3179 of 30000
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I don't. I thought I was a believer for a long time. Once I realized I wasn't, my worldview became internally consistent, and I prefer it that way. I was never happy having to handwave my own brain

My family was not religious because when my grandfather was going through his bouts of mental illness, he heard God and preached, and tried to baptize people in long island sound. So pretty much, I was raised in a house that did not mention god because of the bad things it had meant to them. Which is probably why I longed.

Relatedly, I had a friend who was raised an atheist by a scientist mom, and when we were in college, her mom found religion! It was a very weird ecperience for her, because she felt her entire belief system was betrayed.


Connie Neil - Dec 10, 2009 3:48:11 pm PST #3180 of 30000
brillig

I always envied the people who truly believed.


Aims - Dec 10, 2009 3:52:00 pm PST #3181 of 30000
Shit's all sorts of different now.

I have also envied believing. I asked a former believer friend of mine if she ever missed it and she said sometimes, she did. It made a lot of things easier but in the end, she'd rather not believe because what she believed in wanted to much of her "her-ness" to truly believe.


Vortex - Dec 10, 2009 4:01:14 pm PST #3182 of 30000
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I sometimes envy people their faith, that certainty or belief that there is something after life.


ChiKat - Dec 10, 2009 4:25:15 pm PST #3183 of 30000
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

I sometimes envy people their faith, that certainty or belief that there is something after life.

That. Yes.


P.M. Marc - Dec 10, 2009 4:27:32 pm PST #3184 of 30000
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Somehow, this link seems apropos of the religion conversation. [link]


Gudanov - Dec 10, 2009 4:29:34 pm PST #3185 of 30000
Coding and Sleeping

It's so much easier for me to be agnostic. But I am really comfortable with not knowing and ambiguity, so that is where I naturally end up. It is obviously not for everybody, or even most people.

That's pretty much where I am. I've read the Bible, I've been to church and it just doesn't ring true to me. I believe there is a lot we just don't know about the Universe (or Multiverse), and I'm very comfortable with that. By strict definition I believe I'm an atheist, but I think agnostic is more in line with common usage. It seems to me that atheist is considered a definite belief that god doesn't exist rather than just not believing.


JZ - Dec 10, 2009 4:38:08 pm PST #3186 of 30000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

I sometimes envy people their faith, that certainty or belief that there is something after life.

Though that's not necessarily an essential part of faith; I know one practicing Buddhist (not Zen, but I forget which sect) who describes herself as an atheist.

My own (very devout practicing Catholic) mother has told me that she feels both reasonably confident of some kind of afterlife and not at all concerned about it; she's sure of God in this life, and even if this is all she gets that's enough of a gift for her.


smonster - Dec 10, 2009 4:40:40 pm PST #3187 of 30000
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Somehow, this link seems apropos of the religion conversation. [link]

::facepalm:: Oh, state. Why so wacky?

I will note, as I think I have before on the board, that Asheville is a weird mix of hippies and freaks, retirees, and rednecks.