I think Obama, like Bill Clinton, is especially liberal, but understands that the American people are not. IMO, most liberals try to govern from the center when they're in the Oval Office. I don't understand why the same isn't true of most conservatives (at least, it doesn't seem so to me).

A lot of people on the left are not exactly happy with him.

True dat. I won't say I'm *sorry* I voted for him, particularly since the other choice was the grim reaper and the moron. But I voted for Hilary in the primary and I still bitterly regret that she didn't get the nomination. (Though, I should be clear, I was never a PUMA.)

Obama has let me down big time on a lot of things, although, to be fair, a lot of what I feel let down about are things that he didn't actually promise in his campaign. And I knew during the campaign that he's not pro-choice; however, I thought then and still think now that, as a Constitutional scholar, he'll uphold Roe. But that's *almost* a technicality.

Anyway, uh, yeah. DADT. DOMA. Gitmo. On and on and on. Not happy. Not happy at all.

How is Obama not pro-choice, Tep? (Asking, because I half convinced someone to vote for him on the basis of what I perceived to be his pro-choice stance.)

How is Obama not pro-choice, Tep?

Everything I've read about him, he is *personally* not pro-choice. He's never used inflammatory rhetoric that some anti-choice people use, but he's really not pro-choice.

I'll have to see if I can dig up some of those articles/speeches. I'm sorry I don't have citations to hand. (I mean that for real, not sarcastically.)

But I'm serious when I say that I think that, at the very least, as a Constitutional scholar, he'll uphold Roe. He just doesn't have to be in favor of it.

smonster, the urge to block this guy on FB isn't overwhelming yet?

He's not my friend. This particular argument is on another friend's wall.

No, no, MY wall is currently playing host to "I get to decide what you do with your hard-earned money, you food-stamp-(ab)using lazy slob, you." With a side of drunk driving, I still don't know where that came from. I think they've been cowed into submission, if not shown the error of their privileged middle-class white boy ways, but rugby weekend could be interesting next year!

I think an AR-15 is really a better choice.

I wouldn't know an AR-15 from an AK-47 if it blew a hole in my chest.

I still don't know where that came from.

Vikings. Duh.

Fucking drunk sailing Vikings.

Those freakin' Vikings. Corb always warned us.

I wish I could find the quote from Sports Night when Jeremy is trying to decide what charity to give money to, and Isaac says that he gives $20 bills to guys lying in the street, and hopes they spend it on booze.

If fucking Isaac Jaffe says it, it's true.

Dan:  Who do you give your money to now?
Isaac: I give it here and there.  There are plenty of good causes.
Dan:  That's the problem.
Isaac: Hmmm.  Danny, every morning I leave an acre and a half of the most beautiful property in New Canaan.  I get on a train and come to work in a 54-story glass highrise.  In between, I step across bodies to get here. (sits behind desk) Twenty, thirty, fifty of 'em a day.  So, as I'm stepping over them, I reach into my pocket and give 'em whatever I've got.
Dan:  You're not afraid they're gonna spend it on booze?
Isaac:  I'm hoping they're gonna spend it on booze.  Look, Danny, these people, most of them, it's not like they're one hot meal from turning it around. For most of them, the clock's pretty much run out.  They'll be home soon enough.  What's wrong with giving 'em a little Novocain to get 'em through the night?