It's hard to declare a holiday not religious when it's 67% Christ.
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Polter-Cow - Dec 09, 2009 1:16:34 pm PST #2845 of 30000
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tommyrot - Dec 09, 2009 1:17:20 pm PST #2846 of 30000
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It's hard to declare a holiday not religious when it's 67% Christ.
Plus the other 33% is a Mass... for Christ.
Daisy Jane - Dec 09, 2009 1:18:15 pm PST #2847 of 30000
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You can say it has no religious meaning for you, but you can see that Christmas is Christian, right? I mean, it's right there in the name.
Hil R. - Dec 09, 2009 1:19:51 pm PST #2848 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
Over the past several years, I've had essentially this same conversation with at least three different people. One of them grew up in Japan, so he's coming at this from a totally different perspective, but the others were people who grew up in the US.
Hil R. - Dec 09, 2009 1:19:52 pm PST #2849 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
brenda m - Dec 09, 2009 1:21:13 pm PST #2850 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
That's insane.
I wonder if this is how the fundies feel around Halloween?
No, they're still craxy.
Hil R. - Dec 09, 2009 1:21:24 pm PST #2851 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
It's sometimes fun to point out to these people that "Christmas is a secular American holiday" is exactly the same argument that Bill O'Reilly uses constantly.
-t - Dec 09, 2009 1:38:53 pm PST #2852 of 30000
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Even if you accept that Christmas is a secular American cultural holiday - how does he want you to celebrate it? Everybody has different traditions, there's no one thing that everybody does.
Hil R. - Dec 09, 2009 1:41:53 pm PST #2853 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
I vaguely remember a conversation somewhere or other (was it here? I'm not sure) a year or two ago, when Slate published an article about which Christmas specials are OK to watch in Jewish homes, based on a survey of about five Jewish people about what they watched when they were kids. The list was pretty much the things that I always watched, and one of them was How the Grinch Stole Christmas. Every time I talked to a Jewish person about this article, the immediate response to that mention was a halfway sarcastic, "Well, of course. Clearly the Grinch is Jewish." And we all thought that was funny. But then when I tried that same joke in a mixed group, the reaction from all the Christmas-celebrating people was "Of course the Grinch isn't Jewish! What a horribly antisemitic thing to say!"
Hil R. - Dec 09, 2009 1:43:46 pm PST #2854 of 30000
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
Even if you accept that Christmas is a secular American cultural holiday - how does he want you to celebrate it? Everybody has different traditions, there's no one thing that everybody does.
I think he wants me to have a tree and put up lights and wear red and green and stuff like that, because non-Christian people celebrating Christmas will make him more comfortable with his insistence that there's not anything Christian about what he's doing.