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WindSparrow - Jul 02, 2010 5:30:03 pm PDT #24591 of 30000
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

I think the male equivalent of "You Oughta Know" is Rod Stewart's "Maggie May"

I never felt the same vitriol from "Maggie May" that "You Oughta Know" carries. The tone of "Maggie May is affection mixed with amused exasperation. "You Oughta Know" sounds rather like the guy's lucky to not be finding his dog disemboweled on his front door step. Or maybe she wants to cut off parts of her own body to mail him, right before she offs the new girlfriend, and goes to jail.

My favorite part? The shot was in a wee tupperware container.

That is adorable. "Why no officer, we don't have any open containers in this vehicle. This is just salad dressing."


sj - Jul 02, 2010 5:53:29 pm PDT #24592 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Aww, thanks Laura. Victor and Lea really are a wondeful couple. I can remember when I first met them getting a renewed hope that a really good marriage between equals was possible.


brenda m - Jul 02, 2010 6:26:51 pm PDT #24593 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I think the male equivalent of "You Oughta Know" is Rod Stewart's "Maggie May"

Huh. Will need to listen to both, but it sounds right.

I would definitely wax before going away for two weeks with family. Or the kind of family who would notice or care, anyway.

I had a groupon so I did a Brazilian before I went to Mexico. I'm not sold. I didn't actually mind the process. And I kind of like being um, denuded down there. What I hate is the "landing strip". It's so unnatural looking. If I had them do something more of a triangle I would probably be happier.

I need to do my legs again soon. The rest is fine.


Typo Boy - Jul 02, 2010 8:11:59 pm PDT #24594 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

The tone of "Maggie May is affection mixed with amused exasperation.

That's the tune (and I admit Alanis's is much angrier):

But the lyrics of Maggie Mae include:

"You lured me away from home just to save you from being alone"

"You stole my heart I couldn't leave you if I tried." " I suppose I could collect my books and get back to school. Or steal my daddy's cue and make a living out of playing pool."

"Maggie I wish I'd never seen your face"

That's hurt and anger. And yeah hurt and anger at someone you are still in love with. But not amused exasperation and affection. He may love her, but he hates her almost as much.


Typo Boy - Jul 02, 2010 8:17:49 pm PDT #24595 of 30000
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Although on followup Windsparrow is reading the actual stories behind the songs right. "You oughtta know" is about someone who really did use pretty much use Alanis and throw her away. I don't about Canadian law, in the U.S. she would not have been legal. Stewarts song is about an older woman he had a dirty weekend with. But if you take the Maggie May lyrics literally, she has lured him away from home, and talked him into dropping out of school.


Trudy Booth - Jul 02, 2010 8:23:30 pm PDT #24596 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

When y'all make kale chips, do you eat them all at once, or can you make a bunch and stick them in tupperware?


DavidS - Jul 02, 2010 8:24:50 pm PDT #24597 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

But if you take the Maggie May lyrics literally, she has lured him away from home, and talked him into dropping out of school.

Yeah, but he's not bitter about it. Merely rueful. The entire song is affectionate instead of angry.

One thing the songs do have in common is that they were both based on personal experience. "Maggie May" is the story of Rod's sexual initiation with an older woman he met at a jazz festival. Like many young men in that situation he wasn't keen to leave, and felt himself falling for her. But she knew that he wouldn't stay and was but callow.

In the end they each used the other a bit but I think his vocal clearly indicates he's fond of her, though the memory is bittersweet.

Alanis, however, is just plain bitter and righteously pissed.


WindSparrow - Jul 02, 2010 8:54:51 pm PDT #24598 of 30000
Love is stronger than death and harder than sorrow. Those who practice it are fierce like the light of stars traveling eons to pierce the night.

But if you take the Maggie May lyrics literally, she has lured him away from home, and talked him into dropping out of school.

Someone who can be talked out of being in school, doesn't want to be there in the first place. He's got alternatives - playing in a band, or pool hustling. Or, hell, even though it is not stated, he could drop back into school. The young woman in "You Oughta Know" is so emotionally destroyed that she feels no alternatives, no future.

That's hurt and anger. And yeah hurt and anger at someone you are still in love with. But not amused exasperation and affection.

I find it hard to hear only hurt and anger in, "All you did was wreck my bed, and in the morning kick me in the head." Can you really tell me that, "the morning light really shows your age, but that don't bother me none, in my eyes you are everything," isn't fondness? Or at least, the level of hurt and anger are so much more benevolent as to not be paralleled in "You Oughta Know.


Connie Neil - Jul 02, 2010 9:25:09 pm PDT #24599 of 30000
brillig

Huh, and most of what I hear in "You Oughta Know" is "I'm a creepy stalker person and on the whole you're probably better off without me." But then, I let these things stand on their own and don't study the back stories, so I'm probably not a well-informed consumer of art.


erin_obscure - Jul 02, 2010 11:18:42 pm PDT #24600 of 30000
Occasionally I’m callous and strange

Something I've wondered - if you reversed the genders of "You Oughta Know," would it still work the same? Or is the song essentially a female complaint?

you'd have to change the line about "and would she have your baby, i'm sure she'd make a really excellent mother." otherwise i can see a guy having the same level of rage after a really bad breakup.