there is so much there that goes beyond "2nd class citizen" and into the very tempting (for some) realm of 'non-person'. Enabling a doctor to LIE in order to protect the doctor's agenda, but not the patient's concerns, the ultrasound "lesson", the ... the fact that this is brought to you by people who could care less about whether those same kids have healthcare later in life... I'm losing it.

Oh Askye - I am so sorry sweetheart.

I thought the while ultrasound thing was messy, but whatever--the part that shocked me more was that the doctor can LIE to you about whether the baby has birth defects, and you can't sue!! It is NOT the doctors decision, except apparently in Oklahoma it is.

This is horrifying for many reasons, but yet another is that, if I were pregnant with a child who would have special needs, and those could be identified early, I would want to know so that I could have time to read up on it and prepare before I also had a newborn to take care of.

"Non-person" just about covers it, Sox.

The Other thing about the Your INFo on the Web... how is that even HPIAA compliant?

Askye I'm glad they found the infection. much healing~ma.

I want to live in a place where people who love each other can get married no matter what. I want to raise my daughter in a place where her brain is respected enough that her choices are respected. I want textbooks to teach history not pedantics. I want the entire conservative movement to experience a radical sex and color change (for starters) for a year without their retirement accunts so they can actually walk in someone else's shoes and not just bitch about how expensive and unworthy of the wearer they seem to be.

I'm horrified. I have also just donated to OK Planned Parenthood and posted the story in Facebook in the hopes that might make some small difference.

askye, dammit, I'm so sorry. This is so not what you need right now.

Aims, GO YOU! You rock!

Hil, your interview sounds really promising!

ETA:

I want to live in a place where people who love each other can get married no matter what. I want to raise my daughter in a place where her brain is respected enough that her choices are respected. I want textbooks to teach history not pedantics. I want the entire conservative movement to experience a radical sex and color change (for starters) for a year without their retirement accunts so they can actually walk in someone else's shoes and not just bitch about how expensive and unworthy of the wearer they seem to be.

I want to be Sox.

how is that even HPIAA compliant?

Apparently, a woman's rights are just subsumed totally by a fetus. We are, after all, just walking incubators. As long as a birth happens, the woman or the welfare of the fetus after it sucks outside air are of no importance -- the ability to suck the air takes total and utter precedence.

And letting doctors decide what to tell or not tell a patient as to affect possible decisions that they may or may not back, to let a doctor's ideology take precedence -- that's a slippery fucking slope. What's next -- not telling gay HIV patients, so they won't get medication, and die sooner, because a doctor doesn't believe in homosexuality? Not disclosing a brain tumor to an Arabic patient because you think they're a terrorist?

Where's the fucking Hippocratic oath? Where's the basic medical ethics 101 info? Where's the basic goddamned humanity?

Askye, oh no! I am sorry to hear that! Heal quick-ma, and don't come back-ma to you.

Feh. Feh, I say.

Oh, no, askye, I'm sorry!

I find the second law, the one protecting doctors who decide to withhold information about the fetus, to be a much bigger problem.

I don't know about much bigger, but it does feel like just as huge a problem, for a whole different set of horrifying reasons. It's really just fascinating, how much disregard and utter contempt for women both bills show, in such different but complementary ways.

I only wish I had ever planned to visit Oklahoma for any reason at all, so that it would mean something to boycott it.

See, and the thing is, I think it would be totally interesting to gather statistics on why women are choosing abortion, and use that to try to get the rate of abortions down, if that's what you want to do--Is it that they are experiencing birth control failure? Need more contraception? Need access to the morning after pill? IS someone terminating due to a diagnosis of the fetus? Etc etc. But gather in bulk, not all "oh, a 27 year old married woman in tiny city got one last week! Wonder who THAT was.."