That's great. Doesn't change torture being profoundly ineffective, in addition to a moral stain on on our nation. If you're looking to find consensus and peace, why are you bringing this up again? Because nothing says friendly delurk like people with hoods over their heads. Hello?
Ericka, I'm agreeing to disagree on "torture". Didn't ask for consensus and peace. Brought it up because people mentioned it in responding to me at first. Hood over their heads? I don't wear one. (Well, I cover my hair, but not with a hood.) KSM in a hood doesn't bother me a bit. And if my once-a-year posts over the years don't count as delurking, see last year's delurk thread from a couple of months ago.
Gud, torture may not be effective (people will do anything to make the pain stop), but putting the fear of hell into one of these alQaeda guys works for me. The Christmas bomber babbled because he was afraid of what would happen to him. When he got Mirandized and realized he was going to a nice warm cell and not the hell-hole he imagined, he stopped talking. Maybe his family convinced him later to talk again, but I want to know what happened to the guys who trained and send him from Yemen. Did we catch them? Can we? Or did they ditch their cell phones and email addresses and move on?
The last I heard the other people in Yemen were being perused. But Yemen is a lot like Afghanistan, there is little government control and the region is largely mountainous and inaccessible. It's another place where it's difficult to find anyone.
I'll add there was a definite mess-up by the Obama administration by not yet having the special high value interrogation unit fully up and running yet. They were too slow in establishing that since announcing it in August.
Ow. Too many joints are hurting at once, and I can't find any way to sit or lie down that doesn't put pressure on something.
I hate my body. I want to go skating, or learn how to ski, or go rollerblading or surfing or biking or something else where I get to go fast. And right now, I hurt too much to walk across my apartment.
Heh. I worked out with a friend who has become a personal trainer, for the first time yesterday, so I, too am sore, but at least I have a good reason for it! Oddly, she had me doing lunges and so I thought I'd be all sore in my quads (which were hurting by the end!), but instead it's my ASS that is all sore. I think that's a good thing, probably. Means I got a butt workout, right? I'm going to end up with a perky ass?
Yeah that school spying story is unbelievable. I forget which buffista mentioned how crazy it is that not one person in the scool administration spoke up on the wrongness of it all.
I spent the last 20 minutes swearing at my DVR and accusing it of homophobia because it wouldn't record "Ru Paul's Drag Race". Finally I figured out it's now called "Ru Paul's Drag Race 2". Sheesh.
Yah, we were talking about that one the other day--forget if it was in here or another thread. SOO messed up--how can someone not think to speak up and say "gee, this seems like a poor idea!" Though I don't find it THAT creepy if they were told they'd be spied on DURING SCHOOL HOURS...I guess. Maybe. But....outside of school?? HELL NO.
I guess now they're claiming they were only doing it to track supposedly stolen laptops? Which, yes, there are programs that do that, and I know some people who've had those, and that's awesome and all....but then how does that end up with "we're going to suspend you"?? Becuase, really. Was it "we're going to suspend you because that's not your laptop?" I don't think so. And that's the only reasoning I can think of...and that's not a good reasoning (because if it's not your laptop....that should be a police matter, not a suspension one)
