A ghost? What's the deal? Is every frat on this campus haunted? And if so, why do people keep coming to these parties, cause it's not the snacks.

Xander ,'Dirty Girls'


Delurking 1: Because we don't always check our e-mail.


Barb - Oct 11, 2009 7:50:44 am PDT #942 of 3094
“Not dead yet!”

Your parents, God and Ayn Rand, clearly warped you as a child, David.

::snickers quietly in the corner::


DavidS - Oct 11, 2009 7:51:33 am PDT #943 of 3094
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Look, ya'll can make up a broadly generalized rule that has limited application and stick it all over your sentences.

For example, any sentence with Billy Joel in it requires a semi-colon; he's just that awesome!

But you don't need a generalized rule about serial commas. You use the commas when it properly helps to convey the meaning you intend.

And it is nothing less than fustian to put a comma in before "and" in most cases.


DavidS - Oct 11, 2009 7:53:26 am PDT #944 of 3094
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

That's not a rule; that's a recipe for disaster. The serial comma provides consistency.

::Extends Hobgoblin Extractor into the narrow corridors of P-Cow's mind::


Glamcookie - Oct 11, 2009 7:57:08 am PDT #945 of 3094
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Up with the serial comma!


Amy - Oct 11, 2009 8:00:09 am PDT #946 of 3094
Because books.

And it is nothing less than fustian to put a comma in before "and" in most cases.

So, so sadly wrong.

::makes out with serial comma AND semi-colon::


Polter-Cow - Oct 11, 2009 8:00:41 am PDT #947 of 3094
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

And it is nothing less than fustian to put a comma in before "and" in most cases.

You know what's fustian?

Using words like "fustian."


tommyrot - Oct 11, 2009 8:01:38 am PDT #948 of 3094
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I hope we're not frightening the lurkers away....


Barb - Oct 11, 2009 8:03:02 am PDT #949 of 3094
“Not dead yet!”

The sad part is, if we made a punctuation thread, it would languish in obscurity, desolate, little tumbleweeds of serial commas and semi-colons rolling past...


Steph L. - Oct 11, 2009 8:09:57 am PDT #950 of 3094
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

But you don't need a generalized rule about serial commas.

Whoa there! Either always use it, or never use it. But be consistent. Lack of consistency just looks downright sloppy and, therefore, poorly written.


DavidS - Oct 11, 2009 8:27:46 am PDT #951 of 3094
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Whoa there! Either always use it, or never use it. But be consistent. Lack of consistency just looks downright sloppy and, therefore, poorly written.

To cite wikipedia on the subject:

Many sources, however, are against both automatic use and automatic avoidance of the serial comma, making recommendations in a more nuanced way (see Usage and subsequent sections).

I can't help it if you're rigid and lacking in nuance.

Also:

Use of the serial comma can introduce ambiguity. An example would be a book dedication reading:

To my mother, Ayn Rand, and God

The serial comma after Ayn Rand creates ambiguity about the writer's mother, because the proper-noun phrase Ayn Rand could be read as in apposition to my mother (with the commas fulfilling a parenthetical function), resulting in the interpretation "To my mother (who is Ayn Rand) and to God". (Normally in such a case a writer should be trusted to explicitly include the second 'to' in order to relieve this ambiguity.)

Word order takes care of most problems. "Young Pleiades cited the warping influence of God, Ayn Rand and her parents; then she discovered country music."

In sum, serial commas can create ambituity as well as relieve it. In most instances they are unsightly and extraneous; they are the skin tag dangling off the beautiful ass of a well formed sentence.

That's not a rule; that's a recipe for disaster.

The name of that recipe book is the New York Times.

I will also cite...the University of Oxford Writing and Style Guide!

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As a general rule, do not use the serial/Oxford comma: so write ‘a, b and c’ not ‘a, b, and c’. But when a comma would assist in the meaning of the sentence or helps to resolve ambiguity, it can be used – especially where one of the items in the list is already joined by ‘and’:

They had a choice between croissants, bacon and eggs, and muesli.[26]

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