What should I do, then? Send her a gift? Sacrifice? … Unholy fruit basket?

Angel ,'Just Rewards (2)'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


flea - Sep 17, 2009 2:24:12 am PDT #9311 of 30001
information libertarian

Ginger, if it comes to it, you and Mr. Peabody should paddle out this way. We're on high ground.


Theodosia - Sep 17, 2009 2:41:12 am PDT #9312 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

By relocating ourselves, we shake loose the shackles of expectation.

Sorry, sarameg, others: I was trying to be specific about it being substance abuse issues you can't just 'move away' from, not that, in fact, physically moving to a different community can be life-enhancing.

Note that I moved away from New Jersey to Boston and stayed here, much much happier with the culture and opportunities.


Barb - Sep 17, 2009 2:57:06 am PDT #9313 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

You know, there's something to be said for staying and toughing it out, as it were, but at some point you have to take a step back, take a long, considering look, and ask yourself, "is it worth being this unhappy?"

Which is where Lewis and I found ourselves, in our particular case. We didn't move from Ohio to Jacksonville because we particularly wanted to. This was a case where we did it for the benefit of our kids and it was the right choice for that time. However, I think we've gotten the most out of our time here and at this point, the negatives far outweigh any future benefits.

Which is not a response to anything in particular, just me parsing stuff out in the wake of poor Lewis being ambushed by his parents yesterday.


Ginger - Sep 17, 2009 3:01:14 am PDT #9314 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Thanks, flea. If I have to take to a boat, I'll paddle your way. Last night, my sloped yard looked like a river and the terraced parts like waterfalls. By the light of day, I see that a depressing amount of my back yard is on my patio and there are deep gullies in my vegetable garden and a couple of newly planted collard plants are on their way to the sea. Today's weather looks to be more of the same.


Nora Deirdre - Sep 17, 2009 3:06:04 am PDT #9315 of 30001
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Alyson, my personal opinion is that the anger that men feel toward fat or otherwise unattractive-to-them women is a general misogyny thing, not just an anti-fat thing.

Some men feel that we, as women, *owe* it to them to look (and act, to some extent) like someone they want to fuck. If we dare to be unfuckable (to them) and seem OK WITH IT, then that ignites the rage. How dare we? How dare we live our lives not according to WHAT THEY WANT and what they desire?

The misogyny, it burns.


Laura - Sep 17, 2009 3:14:21 am PDT #9316 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

I think you are probably right there, Nora.

Awesome tat, Allyson!

I moved away from my family 35 years ago or so. It could be we are closer because I was gone as soon as I was an adult.


beth b - Sep 17, 2009 3:22:53 am PDT #9317 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

very nice Allyson


sarameg - Sep 17, 2009 3:24:02 am PDT #9318 of 30001

So I got in at 8 for and 8:30, only to check email and learn it's been moved to 9. I shouldn't resent that, right?


flea - Sep 17, 2009 3:24:40 am PDT #9319 of 30001
information libertarian

Is it a New Jersey thing? [link]

...one out of every three New Jersey conservatives think that Obama could be the anti-Christ. To be precise, 18% of self-identified conservatives affirmatively say that Obama is the anti-Christ, with 17% not sure. Among the self-identified Republican label, it's 14% who say Obama has the number 666 hidden underneath his hair, plus 15% who aren't sure.


Cashmere - Sep 17, 2009 3:30:42 am PDT #9320 of 30001
Now tagless for your comfort.

It's sad how right that sounds, Nora.