It's because you didn't have a strong father figure isn't it?

Joyce ,'Chosen'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


meara - Aug 20, 2009 7:20:34 pm PDT #4808 of 30001

Not just track and field, David. And there's a common issue of androgen insensitivity syndrome that can happen, or several other chromosomal things, that have happened, now that they can do that sort of testing. They've had to make up rules about who "counts". It's sort of ridiculous, but...at the same time, shows how ridiculous the whole binary sex system is.

According to this article in Slate eight women athletes tested as having Y chromosomes at the Atlanta Olympics.


beth b - Aug 20, 2009 7:43:07 pm PDT #4809 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I had a conversation about that runner. Not sure which way I'd say if I had no clues, but since hanging with the Buffistas my definition of gender is much more fluid. I figure if some one wants to be called she, she is a she. I guess for things that are divided by gender you might need a more ridged definition, but I still think self-identity is primary.


DavidS - Aug 20, 2009 7:59:26 pm PDT #4810 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

but I still think self-identity is primary.

I don't think that'll play in the 100 meter dash. Did RuPaul's Drag Race ever actually have the drag queens racing?

One of the interesting biological anomalies they referenced was getting a superabundance of testosterone from the adrenal gland.

Sort of like a built in steroids advantage. But it's naturally occurring, so how is it different from somebody with quick twitch muscles or supernal eye-hand coordination or other inherent physical advantages?


beth b - Aug 20, 2009 10:44:26 pm PDT #4811 of 30001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

oh, it won't.

Whoo hoo we fixed the toilet. The best part -- DH on the ground and the cat climbing up his side to see what ws going on . When the cat couldn't see -he decide DH was a great place for a nap. priceless.


dcp - Aug 21, 2009 12:09:09 am PDT #4812 of 30001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

Tiny but deep

How recent was your last tetanus booster?


flea - Aug 21, 2009 1:17:11 am PDT #4813 of 30001
information libertarian

msbelle, if you are talking research as in articles in medical or psychiatry journals (i.e. about meds and kids) please email me - I have access to a lot of scholarly databases with that stuff.


Theodosia - Aug 21, 2009 2:43:08 am PDT #4814 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

There was a Spanish runner a couple years ago who ended up banned from competing in women's races because of androgen insensitivity syndrome. 'Technically' she was an XY, physically she was female (missing a uterus), and had been young enough that her 'delayed' menarche had been attributed to lean body mass and training regimen. What a horrible way to find out something like that about yourself!

The irony of the androgen insensitivity is that you're immune to most performance-enhancing steroids, so she couldn't even 'cheat' if she wanted to.


Sparky1 - Aug 21, 2009 3:36:05 am PDT #4815 of 30001
Librarian Warlord

msbelle, I'm happy to help if I can.

Other librarians/university types: Anyone have access to the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography?

Some poor, clueless woman posted on the local listserv for a nanny 30 hours/week offering to pay between $100-200. While some people have gently pointed out that this isn't minimum wage, other people are being downright mean. I can't imagine what she's getting off-list. Considering how difficult and stressful finding care is, I really feel sorry for her. (signed, added our names to 12 daycare wait lists in January and still waiting)


flea - Aug 21, 2009 3:39:17 am PDT #4816 of 30001
information libertarian

Sparky, I have the Oxford DNB. What do you need? Feel free to take to email.


Sparky1 - Aug 21, 2009 3:44:50 am PDT #4817 of 30001
Librarian Warlord

Thanks, flea! Insent.

Now what do you know about Portuguese intellectual property law?

::knows it's not fair to try and get everyone else to do my work::