Hmm. It's sounds like the finest party I can imagine getting paid to go to.

Mal ,'Shindig'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


erikaj - Oct 26, 2009 6:26:59 am PDT #15318 of 30001
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

But why would anyone think she knew dick about any subject besides Pratfalls and Acting Like A Diva and Trashing My Reputation?


Theodosia - Oct 26, 2009 6:27:54 am PDT #15319 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

There's a cynical part of me that thinks that people who take Somers' health advice are Darwinian selection in action... but objectively I know that their early, preventable deaths will grieve their loved ones immensely.

It's easier to have schadenfreude when you don't know the schadenee personally.


Jessica - Oct 26, 2009 6:29:57 am PDT #15320 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But why would anyone think she knew dick about any subject besides Pratfalls and Acting Like A Diva and Trashing My Reputation?

Why does anyone think Jenny McCarthy knows jack shit about vaccines? And yet, she's the reason there is currently a freaking MUMPS OUTBREAK in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Brooklyn. People are sheep.


tommyrot - Oct 26, 2009 6:31:43 am PDT #15321 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Science Based Medicine has another excellent takedown of Somers' book and celebrity medical woo in general: [link]

I read/skimmed that article. Very depressing.

That article linked to this blog post: The Arrogance of Ignorance, which is very good.

So, who’s the more arrogant; the person with a deep background in biology who states that the current data doesn’t support a connection between autism and mercury or the person with no background in science (apart from Google-based “research”) who insists that there is?

How about somebody with no background in science who presumes to lecture experienced medical researchers about the “limitations” and “flaws” of their study?

Is it just me, or is our society/culture becoming less scientifically literate?


Tom Scola - Oct 26, 2009 6:32:53 am PDT #15322 of 30001
hwæt

Is it just me, or is our society/culture becoming less scientifically literate?

These people were always there, it's just that they were blinvisible before there were internets.


erikaj - Oct 26, 2009 6:32:54 am PDT #15323 of 30001
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

I'm hip. I came(this close) to saying they deserve what they get, but then I do understand the urge to look for something relatable to read on a heavy subject like that, and I'm not conventional medicine's biggest booster, either. However... And, yeah, Jessica, not just SS, but Ms. Somers sounds like a complete numbskull talking about *her own life* which you'd think she'd have some knowledge of, so it's easy to pick her.


Jessica - Oct 26, 2009 6:34:51 am PDT #15324 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Is it just me, or is our society/culture becoming less scientifically literate?

I don't think so. I just think the internet makes it easier for the scientifically illiterate to compete for bandwidth.


tommyrot - Oct 26, 2009 6:38:13 am PDT #15325 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

These people were always there, it's just that they were blinvisible before there were internets.

I think that's part of it. However, I imagine if Summers' book had come out in, say, 1980, I'd think that the media would be all over the scientific inaccuracies of the book, and she'd be unable to do any mainstream interviews that were not highly critical of her.

So what's changed? The whole "balanced", "he said/she said" tendencies of modern media. You know, there are "two sides" to every story.... In this case, there's the science side of the story, and there's the "Western medicine/science sucks" side, and the media reports as if both are equally valid.


Gudanov - Oct 26, 2009 6:38:20 am PDT #15326 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

Is it just me, or is our society/culture becoming less scientifically literate?

I don't know, I'd have to see some data.


Jessica - Oct 26, 2009 6:39:28 am PDT #15327 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Gud FTW.