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Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Oct 26, 2009 6:31:43 am PDT #15321 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Science Based Medicine has another excellent takedown of Somers' book and celebrity medical woo in general: [link]

I read/skimmed that article. Very depressing.

That article linked to this blog post: The Arrogance of Ignorance, which is very good.

So, who’s the more arrogant; the person with a deep background in biology who states that the current data doesn’t support a connection between autism and mercury or the person with no background in science (apart from Google-based “research”) who insists that there is?

How about somebody with no background in science who presumes to lecture experienced medical researchers about the “limitations” and “flaws” of their study?

Is it just me, or is our society/culture becoming less scientifically literate?


Tom Scola - Oct 26, 2009 6:32:53 am PDT #15322 of 30001
hwæt

Is it just me, or is our society/culture becoming less scientifically literate?

These people were always there, it's just that they were blinvisible before there were internets.


erikaj - Oct 26, 2009 6:32:54 am PDT #15323 of 30001
"already on the kiss-cam with Karl Marx"-

I'm hip. I came(this close) to saying they deserve what they get, but then I do understand the urge to look for something relatable to read on a heavy subject like that, and I'm not conventional medicine's biggest booster, either. However... And, yeah, Jessica, not just SS, but Ms. Somers sounds like a complete numbskull talking about *her own life* which you'd think she'd have some knowledge of, so it's easy to pick her.


Jessica - Oct 26, 2009 6:34:51 am PDT #15324 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Is it just me, or is our society/culture becoming less scientifically literate?

I don't think so. I just think the internet makes it easier for the scientifically illiterate to compete for bandwidth.


tommyrot - Oct 26, 2009 6:38:13 am PDT #15325 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

These people were always there, it's just that they were blinvisible before there were internets.

I think that's part of it. However, I imagine if Summers' book had come out in, say, 1980, I'd think that the media would be all over the scientific inaccuracies of the book, and she'd be unable to do any mainstream interviews that were not highly critical of her.

So what's changed? The whole "balanced", "he said/she said" tendencies of modern media. You know, there are "two sides" to every story.... In this case, there's the science side of the story, and there's the "Western medicine/science sucks" side, and the media reports as if both are equally valid.


Gudanov - Oct 26, 2009 6:38:20 am PDT #15326 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

Is it just me, or is our society/culture becoming less scientifically literate?

I don't know, I'd have to see some data.


Jessica - Oct 26, 2009 6:39:28 am PDT #15327 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Gud FTW.


Gudanov - Oct 26, 2009 6:43:48 am PDT #15328 of 30001
Coding and Sleeping

At the trick or treating event I took the kids too this weekend, I parked my little Honda between two massive pickups. Both pickups had an 'Don't blame me, I voted for the American' bumper stickers. Only one of them had the 'Vote Republican: Because not everyone can be on welfare' bumper sticker.


Steph L. - Oct 26, 2009 6:45:59 am PDT #15329 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Is it just me, or is our society/culture becoming less scientifically literate?

These people were always there, it's just that they were blinvisible before there were internets.

Sure, they were always there, but I think that there are more of them now.

I just think the internet makes it easier for the scientifically illiterate to compete for bandwidth.

And it makes scientifically illiterate ideas more accessible to people who want "proof" of what they want to believe.


Theodosia - Oct 26, 2009 6:50:09 am PDT #15330 of 30001
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Gud, you should have congratulated them on their vote for Ron Paul.