Zoe: First rule of battle, little one. Don't ever let 'em know where you are. Mal: Whoo-hoo! I'm right here! I'm right here! You want some of me? Yeah, you do! Come on! Come on! Aaah! Whoo-hoo! Zoe: Of course, there are other schools of thought...

'The Message'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Sep 29, 2009 2:13:12 pm PDT #11394 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Maybe if the judge assigned to the case hadn't been a total asshat this might have been resolved in the 70s.

Or if Polanski had worked within the system and appealed the case if he thought the judge was biased. Or voluntarily come back at any time in the past 30 years if a new judge could be assigned.


flea - Sep 29, 2009 2:14:20 pm PDT #11395 of 30001
information libertarian

It was also a different time and place and lifestyle the likes of which very few of us can begin to imagine.

I can't imagine that even in the sexy Hollywood 70s it was okay to drug and rape a girl who was crying and saying "no." (I am sure it happened a lot in the 70s and is still happening, but I don't have a problem with saying it's not okay. If the sex had been consensual, you can argue different times, but rape is rape, yo.)


bon bon - Sep 29, 2009 2:15:27 pm PDT #11396 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Yes, I deleted my half-post above that was going to make the point that the Rittenband argument holds no water. First off, we have a whole process to deal with asshat judges (of which there are tremendously many) and it is appeals. Not to mention, he died decades ago. Polanski doesn't have an excuse after that. It could and would have been dealt with in the 70s had he not flouted the law.


Jesse - Sep 29, 2009 2:15:34 pm PDT #11397 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'm afraid there might be someethig wrong with my mind that, as soon as I started thinking about this stuff, I had to go look up Ira Einhorn. [link] I couldn't remember his first name, but still.


ChiKat - Sep 29, 2009 2:18:12 pm PDT #11398 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

Tech-minded Buffistas, how can I tell if I have 32-bit or 64-bit Windows XP?


Kristen - Sep 29, 2009 2:18:37 pm PDT #11399 of 30001

I deleted my post because I regret wading into this discussion.


Barb - Sep 29, 2009 2:21:54 pm PDT #11400 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

Is this in reference to the rape or running?

I'm saying it was the seventies in Los Angeles, a time and place that was extremely loose and experimental and had an anything goes atmosphere about it, especially in the circles in which Polanski traveled. You read any biography or memoir or historical reference to the time and place and you see it was just not anything that the majority of us would even have a passing acquaintance with. I'm not using it as an excuse for now but rather for the attitudes and mores of that particular time and place. I'm not saying they were right, they just were.


Steph L. - Sep 29, 2009 2:25:25 pm PDT #11401 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

the attitudes and mores of that particular time and place.

I feel incredibly parochial even saying this, but I have a very hard time believing that even among the Hollywood beautiful people in the anything-goes 1970s, that drugging and raping a 13-year-old girl who repeatedly said "No" would be an accepted more.


Dana - Sep 29, 2009 2:25:59 pm PDT #11402 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

I heard the NPR piece just now on All Things Considered about Polanski. It did not diminish my rage.


Hil R. - Sep 29, 2009 2:26:38 pm PDT #11403 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

I'm saying it was the seventies in Los Angeles, a time and place that was extremely loose and experimental and had an anything goes atmosphere about it, especially in the circles in which Polanski traveled. You read any biography or memoir or historical reference to the time and place and you see it was just not anything that the majority of us would even have a passing acquaintance with. I'm not using it as an excuse for now but rather for the attitudes and mores of that particular time and place. I'm not saying they were right, they just were.

I don't understand what you're saying here. The relevant information isn't the mores of his social circle, but the laws of the state.