I'm afraid there might be someethig wrong with my mind that, as soon as I started thinking about this stuff, I had to go look up Ira Einhorn. [link] I couldn't remember his first name, but still.
Wash: Psychic, though? That sounds like something out of science fiction. Zoe: We live in a space ship, dear. Wash: So?
'Objects In Space'
Natter 64: Yes, we still need you
Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
Jesse - Sep 29, 2009 2:15:34 pm PDT #11397 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
ChiKat - Sep 29, 2009 2:18:12 pm PDT #11398 of 30001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?
Tech-minded Buffistas, how can I tell if I have 32-bit or 64-bit Windows XP?
Kristen - Sep 29, 2009 2:18:37 pm PDT #11399 of 30001
I deleted my post because I regret wading into this discussion.
Barb - Sep 29, 2009 2:21:54 pm PDT #11400 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”
Is this in reference to the rape or running?
I'm saying it was the seventies in Los Angeles, a time and place that was extremely loose and experimental and had an anything goes atmosphere about it, especially in the circles in which Polanski traveled. You read any biography or memoir or historical reference to the time and place and you see it was just not anything that the majority of us would even have a passing acquaintance with. I'm not using it as an excuse for now but rather for the attitudes and mores of that particular time and place. I'm not saying they were right, they just were.
Steph L. - Sep 29, 2009 2:25:25 pm PDT #11401 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine
the attitudes and mores of that particular time and place.
I feel incredibly parochial even saying this, but I have a very hard time believing that even among the Hollywood beautiful people in the anything-goes 1970s, that drugging and raping a 13-year-old girl who repeatedly said "No" would be an accepted more.
Dana - Sep 29, 2009 2:25:59 pm PDT #11402 of 30001
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."
I heard the NPR piece just now on All Things Considered about Polanski. It did not diminish my rage.
Hil R. - Sep 29, 2009 2:26:38 pm PDT #11403 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l
I'm saying it was the seventies in Los Angeles, a time and place that was extremely loose and experimental and had an anything goes atmosphere about it, especially in the circles in which Polanski traveled. You read any biography or memoir or historical reference to the time and place and you see it was just not anything that the majority of us would even have a passing acquaintance with. I'm not using it as an excuse for now but rather for the attitudes and mores of that particular time and place. I'm not saying they were right, they just were.
I don't understand what you're saying here. The relevant information isn't the mores of his social circle, but the laws of the state.
flea - Sep 29, 2009 2:28:32 pm PDT #11404 of 30001
information libertarian
It's okay, Steph, you went to parochial *school*! (Right?)
bon bon - Sep 29, 2009 2:29:42 pm PDT #11405 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
I'm saying it was the seventies in Los Angeles, a time and place that was extremely loose and experimental and had an anything goes atmosphere about it, especially in the circles in which Polanski traveled.
Just to be clear here, it wasn't consensual sex that people are calling rape because of the statute. He forced vaginal and anal sex on a 13 year old who was saying no, who he had given champagne and qaaludes. I don't think a western culture in the 20th century finds forcible sex of an adolescent "ok."
Amy - Sep 29, 2009 2:29:48 pm PDT #11406 of 30001
Because books.
You read any biography or memoir or historical reference to the time and place and you see it was just not anything that the majority of us would even have a passing acquaintance with. I'm not using it as an excuse for now but rather for the attitudes and mores of that particular time and place.
I guess this might explain why Polanski ran, or thought he could get away with it, but it doesn't, for me, mean that he shouldn't be punished for something that was clearly wrong.