Haven't you killed me enough for one day?

Mal ,'War Stories'


Natter 64: Yes, we still need you  

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flea - Sep 29, 2009 1:53:33 pm PDT #11381 of 30001
information libertarian

I think I am at least as offended by Polanski's flight from justice as I am by his original crime. If he had accepted sentencing and served whatever sentence there was - from probation to prison time, and it seems like the former was more likely - I would have no trouble with the sentiment that this was all in the past and he could be forgiven. But by placing himself above the justice system - by fleeing - Polanski has made it impossible for me to forgive him. Yeah, it's sad he's had such a hard life, not being able to visit London or New York in 30 years. Of course, he could have avoided the whole trouble by not drugging and raping a 13 year old in the first place, and (presumably) assuming he could get away with it because he was famous.


Hil R. - Sep 29, 2009 1:53:35 pm PDT #11382 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

My personal bottom line on this is, will persuing this do any good? Or is only a disturbing taste for revenge in parts of the American psyche that will be served?

I don't see it as revenge, but justice. The only way the legal system works is if we at least try to have the same system for everyone -- we shouldn't let somebody just walk away from justice just because he's got money and connections. Rich and powerful people getting better treatment from the legal system is bad, but rich and powerful people being able to walk away from the system entirely is just beyond any standards of how it should work.


Jessica - Sep 29, 2009 1:55:40 pm PDT #11383 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I think I am at least as offended by Polanski's flight from justice as I am by his original crime. If he had accepted sentencing and served whatever sentence there was - from probation to prison time, and it seems like the former was more likely - I would have no trouble with the sentiment that this was all in the past and he could be forgiven. But by placing himself above the justice system - by fleeing - Polanski has made it impossible for me to forgive him. Yeah, it's sad he's had such a hard life, not being able to visit London or New York in 30 years. Of course, he could have avoided the whole trouble by not drugging and raping a 13 year old in the first place, and (presumably) assuming he could get away with it because he was famous.

Yup. What flea said.


flea - Sep 29, 2009 1:56:20 pm PDT #11384 of 30001
information libertarian

Cosign Hil. (Where did cosign come from? Is it, like, a Bog Brother Season 1 thing? I am using it a lot lately and it's kind of freaking me out.)

Crimes in the US justice system are committed not just against the victim, but against civil society as a whole. Prosecutors can prosecute even if the victim doesn't want them to (though non-cooperation can make it hard.)


Steph L. - Sep 29, 2009 1:57:16 pm PDT #11385 of 30001
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

It's not a question of whether the victim wants the matter dropped; in a criminal charge, it's the State, not the victim, bringing charges against the criminal. t edit x-post with flea, who said it better.

I don't care what his body of work is, he drugged and raped a 13-year-old girl.

Should he pay?

Should he get away with drugging and raping a 13-year-old girl?


Amy - Sep 29, 2009 1:57:27 pm PDT #11386 of 30001
Because books.

But by placing himself above the justice system - by fleeing - Polanski has made it impossible for me to forgive him. Yeah, it's sad he's had such a hard life, not being able to visit London or New York in 30 years. Of course, he could have avoided the whole trouble by not drugging and raping a 13 year old in the first place, and (presumably) assuming he could get away with it because he was famous.

This. Exactly this.


Jesse - Sep 29, 2009 2:01:34 pm PDT #11387 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I consider precedent irrelevant unless another very similar case would arise.

There are plenty of people who commit crimes who have the money and connections to free the country and stay gone. That's the only "very similar case" that is relevant.

Also, what flea said.


Barb - Sep 29, 2009 2:02:31 pm PDT #11388 of 30001
“Not dead yet!”

Should he get away with drugging and raping a 13-year-old girl?

Nope. He shouldn't have in the first place.

I don't know... there are just so many variables in this case. He was stupid to run, but again, I don't know what demons drive the man or if it was a case of thinking himself above the law because of who he was. It could be equal parts of both. It was also a different time and place and lifestyle the likes of which very few of us can begin to imagine.

I honestly don't know.

And for the record, not a fan. Just trying to sort it all out in my head.


bon bon - Sep 29, 2009 2:03:15 pm PDT #11389 of 30001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

If you can read this: [link] and think he should never be punished for that, I don't know what to say.


Hil R. - Sep 29, 2009 2:08:39 pm PDT #11390 of 30001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

It was also a different time and place and lifestyle the likes of which very few of us can begin to imagine.

Is this in reference to the rape or running?