Dude, I forgot about that! I hulu'd it and it was REALLY late when I watched; I may have to re-watch.

I think, maybe, that it might be a further sign of Caroline's basic personality coming through -- not in a healthy way, but isn't she supposed to be a save-the-world type? Or maybe a desire for something "normal" (even tho it's not.) I mean, it's a different scenario than she usually goes out on -- she's implanted with a....hmm. I'm trying to justify it, even though I don't like it.

I DO like the show better now. It's more complicated and I am trying to figure the angles and argue with some stuff and agree with others. It got more interesting. Wrong, but interesting.

I loved the guy on the street talking about sleeping with another guy, and the slowly changing expression of the woman who was with him. Comedy gold.

Yeah, that was pretty great. "Some guys might be into that!" I also liked the Sassy Black Lady who was all, "Ain't no way someone VOLUNTEERS for this shit!"

I still think Dollhouse is Joss's post Battlestar Galactica series. You can tell Joss loves that show, I think.

I like Ballard's coworker lady. I think she's GORGEOUS.

Yeah, I think the important distinction here is that we're starting to be able to delineate between the corporation's intentions and representations and the show's. If, as a viewer, I'm expected to think that the corporation thinks something is good and the corporation is bad, then I'm good with that. If I'm supposed to think that the corporation is good, then I've got issues with the show and its creators. Now, finally, we're being permitted to see the corporation as at least complex.

It's the same problem I was referring to earlier about the point of view entry character; i.e., there is none. If all the characters are proponents of the corporation, or aware enablers, or victims of it, I have no way to see into things, to perceive what the show's eye is intended to be.

Liese, this is just my opinion, but I think the idea is the Dollhouse is both good and bad. Originally my take on Dollhouse was it would be about getting out and taking it down. The more I look at it, the more I think where it's going is getting _in_ to the Dollhouse.

I don't think of the DH as good and bad. It is bad.

I have not seen a single thing DH has done that isn't sullied by what they do to the "dolls." The religious cult might be the only example, but they performed very invasive surgery on Echo to get that camera behind her eyes. Just ew.

If they were saving the world each week, I might see the good in it, but as rich people's servants and playthings it isn't really a "good." I am actively rooting against the Dollhouse and I want all 20 burned to the ground.

I think there might be good APPLICATIONS of the tech that the DH has created, but that in and of itself, it is baddybadbad. Evil can do good, but it's still evil.

It's like Cheney sending stuff for Toys for Tots. Still bad!

Well, they did save the girl from being abused and kill a serial killer.

"kill a serial killer" - you mean after he chased Echo in the woods and killed some DH personnel?

"save the girl from being abused" - yes, but was DH necessary for this task? Seems to me that traditional law enforcement might have achieved the same ends.