Buffy: Where are the burgers? Riley: Yeah man, I'm starving. Cow me. Xander: I'd love to make with the moo but the fire's not cooperating.

'Lessons'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Strix - Mar 22, 2009 12:32:06 pm PDT #867 of 5827
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I like Ballard's coworker lady. I think she's GORGEOUS.


Liese S. - Mar 22, 2009 12:59:47 pm PDT #868 of 5827
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Yeah, I think the important distinction here is that we're starting to be able to delineate between the corporation's intentions and representations and the show's. If, as a viewer, I'm expected to think that the corporation thinks something is good and the corporation is bad, then I'm good with that. If I'm supposed to think that the corporation is good, then I've got issues with the show and its creators. Now, finally, we're being permitted to see the corporation as at least complex.

It's the same problem I was referring to earlier about the point of view entry character; i.e., there is none. If all the characters are proponents of the corporation, or aware enablers, or victims of it, I have no way to see into things, to perceive what the show's eye is intended to be.


Kevin - Mar 22, 2009 1:04:57 pm PDT #869 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Liese, this is just my opinion, but I think the idea is the Dollhouse is both good and bad. Originally my take on Dollhouse was it would be about getting out and taking it down. The more I look at it, the more I think where it's going is getting _in_ to the Dollhouse.


le nubian - Mar 22, 2009 1:16:03 pm PDT #870 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

I don't think of the DH as good and bad. It is bad.

I have not seen a single thing DH has done that isn't sullied by what they do to the "dolls." The religious cult might be the only example, but they performed very invasive surgery on Echo to get that camera behind her eyes. Just ew.

If they were saving the world each week, I might see the good in it, but as rich people's servants and playthings it isn't really a "good." I am actively rooting against the Dollhouse and I want all 20 burned to the ground.


Strix - Mar 22, 2009 1:24:50 pm PDT #871 of 5827
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I think there might be good APPLICATIONS of the tech that the DH has created, but that in and of itself, it is baddybadbad. Evil can do good, but it's still evil.

It's like Cheney sending stuff for Toys for Tots. Still bad!


Kevin - Mar 22, 2009 1:26:20 pm PDT #872 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Well, they did save the girl from being abused and kill a serial killer.


le nubian - Mar 22, 2009 2:01:30 pm PDT #873 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

"kill a serial killer" - you mean after he chased Echo in the woods and killed some DH personnel?

"save the girl from being abused" - yes, but was DH necessary for this task? Seems to me that traditional law enforcement might have achieved the same ends.


omnis_audis - Mar 22, 2009 2:11:10 pm PDT #874 of 5827
omnis, pursue. That's an order from a shy woman who can use M-16. - Shir

I loved the guy on the street talking about sleeping with another guy, and the slowly changing expression of the woman who was with him. Comedy gold.

Ya, that was pretty awesome.


Nora Deirdre - Mar 22, 2009 2:13:05 pm PDT #875 of 5827
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

Well, they did save the girl from being abused and kill a serial killer.

Eh, that was a fluke, IMHO. That was *not* their inclination until Handler Guy persuaded them. He's the only force of good in that place. Which of course begs the question of WTF he's *doing* in the house of evil.

Is it at all possible that Caroline is the inside person? It just seems weird to me to be going in the direction of her agency coming through to add yet ANOTHER layer of her being used as a tool. I don't know how it would be possible, but I wonder.


Strix - Mar 22, 2009 2:59:28 pm PDT #876 of 5827
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Dude, Handler Guy is Inside Guy! I don't know why I didn't think of that before, but I just did.