Kaylee: You're nice, too. Mal: No, I'm not. I'm a mean old man.

'Serenity'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Polter-Cow - Mar 22, 2009 10:52:02 am PDT #856 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I thought they made it appealing. They spent a lot of time letting Patton Oswalt plead his case, and then they had a happy-smiley ending. Echo wanted to "finish" the happy-smiley home.


Juliebird - Mar 22, 2009 10:54:51 am PDT #857 of 5827
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I read the end as "We're playing this as good and wholesome, can you maintain your outrage?"


Vortex - Mar 22, 2009 10:56:53 am PDT #858 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I was rewatching and I forgot about the guy who wanted to be wwith another guy. that cracked me up.

I was also kind of creeped out by Topher asking Echo "ready to play?" particularly after the whole "game" thing with Hearn. I'm sure that it was deliberate, but ew.


Laga - Mar 22, 2009 10:58:27 am PDT #859 of 5827
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I think the intention was to say "look, sometimes we help people" but I'm not sure.

The skeeviest thing for me in the whole episode was defintely Sierra's abuse. It was intentionally set up to feel like child abuse and I thought they took it much farther than they needed to get the point across.


Dana - Mar 22, 2009 11:00:16 am PDT #860 of 5827
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

They're not helping that guy. They may think they are, and he may think they are, but I don't see how having him relive this moment every year is helping him.

His impulse is understandable. It's turning it into action that's a problem -- hiring a fake wife, getting an emotional reaction from her, and then sleeping with her.


Laga - Mar 22, 2009 11:12:40 am PDT #861 of 5827
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I understand how he feels, that no woman will ever feel the same way about him. I don't think it's good what he's doing, but I understand.


DavidS - Mar 22, 2009 11:36:12 am PDT #862 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I don't know that we're supposed to think that was a healthy thing for Patton Oswalt's character to do. Just understandable.

I don't think Joss is interested in advocating for the nobility of the enterprise. Rather (as explicitly set out by the man in the street interviews) he's pursuing the narrative implications of: What If You Got What You Most Wanted.

Which is really an old trope, and not so much about wish fulfillment as it is the Monkey's Paw and tricky genies who grant your wishes but they're unsatisfying.

And of course there are a little of interesting things to pursue about identity and coercion and agency/volition.


Consuela - Mar 22, 2009 11:38:26 am PDT #863 of 5827
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I loved the guy on the street talking about sleeping with another guy, and the slowly changing expression of the woman who was with him. Comedy gold.


Strix - Mar 22, 2009 11:39:56 am PDT #864 of 5827
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Dude, I forgot about that! I hulu'd it and it was REALLY late when I watched; I may have to re-watch.

I think, maybe, that it might be a further sign of Caroline's basic personality coming through -- not in a healthy way, but isn't she supposed to be a save-the-world type? Or maybe a desire for something "normal" (even tho it's not.) I mean, it's a different scenario than she usually goes out on -- she's implanted with a....hmm. I'm trying to justify it, even though I don't like it.

I DO like the show better now. It's more complicated and I am trying to figure the angles and argue with some stuff and agree with others. It got more interesting. Wrong, but interesting.


Polter-Cow - Mar 22, 2009 12:02:43 pm PDT #865 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I loved the guy on the street talking about sleeping with another guy, and the slowly changing expression of the woman who was with him. Comedy gold.

Yeah, that was pretty great. "Some guys might be into that!" I also liked the Sassy Black Lady who was all, "Ain't no way someone VOLUNTEERS for this shit!"