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Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Steph L. - Aug 18, 2017 6:13:41 am PDT #5661 of 5827
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

There has been a lot of work on what was a gorgeous face to begin with.

I notice that as actors I started watching years (or decades) ago continue to appear on TV/in movies, they all have had cosmetic work. It's unfortunately a requirement for them to try to stay relevant. Like, Tom Cruise looks fantastic, but he doesn't have a portrait in the attic. I mean, I was watching him in movies 30 years ago. He's just had exceptionally good cosmetic work.

I think for women it's even harder. Because a Robert Redford or a Harrison Ford can eventually embrace the craggy side (though they've also had work done -- there's literally no one in Hollywood who hasn't), but women can't. You can point out older actresses -- Maggie Smith, Judi Dench, Helen Mirren -- but they still can't age the same way men can and still hope to land roles.

It really blows.


beekaytee - Aug 18, 2017 6:25:02 am PDT #5662 of 5827
Compassionately intolerant

I totally agree, but I'm wondering about two things.

1) Why do they start so early? It seems to me to be way before age is noticeably distracting.

2) Where are the good practitioners? I get that Tom Cruise has more money than God, but how is it that so many of the (I'm assuming) LA plastos are just terrible? The same face, executed badly.

It reminds me of an interview with Brigitte Neilson, who talked about going to Germany where 'they freshen you up' rather than rebuilding what is still working.

Don't get me started on, why can't we be like other countries that actually respect their aging citizens.


Steph L. - Aug 18, 2017 6:34:22 am PDT #5663 of 5827
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

The same face, executed badly.

It's possible the people getting the procedures are requesting unrealistic outcomes.


beekaytee - Aug 18, 2017 6:47:18 am PDT #5664 of 5827
Compassionately intolerant

I'm _sure_ that is happening, but with all the stuff in the media about duck face and disappearing eyes, you'd think that everyone involved would strive for 'not that.'

But, the truth is, women who go this way are still getting cast so...I guess it's working.

And, I'm totally projecting. I couldn't even stand asymmetrical EAR piercings. Even if lip and cheek implants and tugging skin would make me handsome enough to be worth it, I could not do it. (needle thing and total squick about any form of foreign object) My genes simply don't support such efforts, so I'm safe I guess.

I figure, if you have the dosh and want/need to go this way, I think you should. I just wish it reaped better results.


DavidS - Aug 18, 2017 5:41:59 pm PDT #5665 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Where are the good practitioners? I get that Tom Cruise has more money than God, but how is it that so many of the (I'm assuming) LA plastos are just terrible? The same face, executed badly.

Sandra Bullock is sort of famous for the quality of her work. Subtle.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 18, 2017 6:43:21 pm PDT #5666 of 5827
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Whoever worked on Donna Mills probably had techniques involving black magic and bathtubs full of virgin blood.


beekaytee - Aug 19, 2017 2:23:13 pm PDT #5667 of 5827
Compassionately intolerant

Sandra Bullock is sort of famous for the quality of her work. Subtle.

See? This is what I'm saying. HER doc ought to be so famous he doesn't need to be famous. Why wouldn't everyone go that way?

Whoever worked on Donna Mills probably had techniques involving black magic and bathtubs full of virgin blood.

HA! I've honestly thought this!

Back on topic, I saw a photo of Lin Manuel and Sarah Michelle and didn't want to look too hard at SM because I was certain I saw some changes. Not her, Lord, not her!!


DavidS - Aug 20, 2017 6:45:35 pm PDT #5668 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

because I was certain I saw some changes. Not her, Lord, not her!!

From my insider in the business - they all do. The women just have to maintain a viable career.

But it doesn't have to be Jennifer Grey levels of plastic surgery disaster. Plumpers, botox, a little nip and tuck, lots of money on expensive skincare regimes. It's not a clear bright line. Just part of maintaining their career.


juliana - Aug 21, 2017 12:18:57 pm PDT #5669 of 5827
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Why do they start so early? It seems to me to be way before age is noticeably distracting.

2 reasons - one, so you get used to the idea that they'll always look like they have had work done, and two, so there's less "catch-up" to do.


beekaytee - Aug 21, 2017 2:44:12 pm PDT #5670 of 5827
Compassionately intolerant

Juliana, I can totally see the latter and the former just makes me sad.

It reminds me of that Twilight Zone episode where the arguably beautiful woman is considered an outcast because she doesn't conform to the rest of society. Ugh.