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Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Polter-Cow - Mar 09, 2009 10:19:28 am PDT #530 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I like "The Target" and "Gray Hour" best.


§ ita § - Mar 09, 2009 10:20:27 am PDT #531 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I like Gray Hour best. That one didn't feel like due diligence, like the first and kind of the second.


Kevin - Mar 09, 2009 10:27:04 am PDT #532 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I really disliked "Stage Fright". It just felt like an extended Eliza showreel.

The bits that work for me in Dollhouse are the mythology, inside the Dollhouse stuff and dealing with identity rather than objectification. Also, more Boyd please. And give Paul something to do other than running around shouting at people.


Polter-Cow - Mar 09, 2009 10:35:36 am PDT #533 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

The bits that work for me in Dollhouse are the mythology, inside the Dollhouse stuff and dealing with identity rather than objectification.

Yeah, I get kind of uncomfortable and annoyed every time they have Eliza being all sexy. I get it, she's hot, tell me a different story. It's just the nature of this beast, though; I'm still amused every time they call attention to how hot Sarah is on Chuck. But that's a comedy, and there's a touch of knowing winkiness that's not present on this show (although this episode did have a bit of it with the fakeouts).


erikaj - Mar 09, 2009 10:40:03 am PDT #534 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!

I don't want to be Eliza(Although I think she's cool, and one of my first fantasy gfs) but if I could be Taffy for one day, it would be my childhood dream. Huh...interesting "Make-A-Wish" plot bunny...would anyone read that fanfic?


Kevin - Mar 09, 2009 10:43:21 am PDT #535 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Yeah, Sunil. I mean, I love Big Bang, and that show occasionally plays on the fact Penny Is Hot. But, occasionally. Plus, flat out comedy. Plus, she keeps her clothes on. I still can't come up with a single reason why we had braless Eliza in episode 3. It also doesn't help it's parallel to Eliza as a child inside the 'house. I know the show is pushing buttons deliberately, though, but still - I'm a man and it's putting me off the show.

Also, well done to somebody on Twitter who just noticed Adelle has a shortcut to Quake 2 on her desktop.


§ ita § - Mar 09, 2009 10:55:27 am PDT #536 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Alias was predicated on Jennifer Garner being hot just about every week. Leverage usually needs Gina Bellman to turn on the sexy charm every week. But somehow those were about characters, whereas too much on Dollhouse is about Eliza being sexy--in Gray Hour it seemed more about Taffy being sexy, if that hair splits correctly.


Vortex - Mar 09, 2009 11:00:41 am PDT #537 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

My inferrence from the backup singer one was that she was one person with a subliminal imperative.

But how many backup singers can kick ass? They must combine that personality with the fighting skills, right? (although the "bitch you can fire me, but don't think that you can take me" was pure backup singer :) )


Polter-Cow - Mar 09, 2009 11:00:56 am PDT #538 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

I can split that hair, ita. Taffy was playing the part of a stripper, so she had to be sexy during those parts, but once she got down to business, she was less provocative.

And I think your point about characters is key. The problem with Dollhouse is that Eliza doesn't play a consistent character besides Echo, so it seems like all her "hot" characters are EXCUSES for Eliza to be hot rather than anything character-based.


Kevin - Mar 09, 2009 11:02:45 am PDT #539 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Hey, bonus points to Tim: he doesn't get Eliza naked on Friday. Edit: on the show.