Wild monkey love or tender Sarah McLachlan love?

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Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


Liese S. - Mar 07, 2009 3:11:11 pm PST #496 of 5827
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

Lots was eyerolly, but the turns were interesting. Agree I would have preferred to not have been spoiled for the remote wipe by the trailer.

I am so obsessed by the naming conventions, even though they made it clear last episode that we have no idea how many we're dealing with (and it seemed so from the extras in this one as well). Since they were all, "what happened to the last Sierra" I don't suppose we know anything about the numbers from the names.

But I love that Victor ended up being one and that I totally didn't catch that his name was one of the alphabet. I promise to be more alert the next time someone named Mike shows up. And I do think it's interesting that they didn't change his name for the role. Do you think maybe he met Paul previously, or during a null state somehow, and they had to keep his name for Paul during those assignments? Would Paul looking him back up unexpectedly explain any of the earlier scenes where he denied knowledge of the Dollhouse?

That is to say, do we have evidence in the past where Victor was not named, or didn't respond to his name, and claimed not to know? Where he could have been on another assignment or something and had Paul find him, thus confusion ensued?

I'm still kinda cranky about the jokiness of the sex/rape red herrings. Doesn't stop me from having a problem with it, just because you think it's funny, showrunners.

Also, it turns out Echo's a C64! You could play that data noise over the radio to wipe her! Or use a cassette deck!


Kevin - Mar 07, 2009 3:15:42 pm PST #497 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Oh, that was totally modem and/or fax sound, Liese. Or C64. Ah, Comodore.

During assignments, Victor is programmed as Lubov. (Russian for Love).


Nora Deirdre - Mar 07, 2009 4:32:51 pm PST #498 of 5827
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

I did enjoy this episode more, I was definitely engaged.

However, the midwife thing was so WTF that it took a while for my eyes to stop rolling. There are many medical professionals that can be found NOT from a highly illegal and allegedly sooper-seekrit organization.

The heist job was an excellent use of an Active though.


Ginger - Mar 07, 2009 8:09:32 pm PST #499 of 5827
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Surely there was a more likely anvil they could have used for rebirth and forgetting. Echo could have been overhearing a conversation or working at a hospital but not as the midwife, particularly not as the midwife in a remote cabin. How much information can they dump into those brains, anyway? Enough for any medical contingency? Also, we could have so lived without the heavy breathing intro.

It occurred to me that Victor could have been reprogrammed as an Active after Paul first met him, either by force or after the same threat of exposure.


Kevin - Mar 08, 2009 4:14:18 am PDT #500 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

FOX have been running an ARG (Alternative Reality Game) for Dollhouse over the last few weeks with people. It's finally wrapped. There's a recap of what happened here: [link]

It's arguably spoilers.


Hayden - Mar 08, 2009 11:04:04 am PDT #501 of 5827
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

I agree about the midwife thing. They do amazing work, but those people could have hired a good one for a few hundred bucks. Next week: a rich maniac hires Echo to be the perfect fry cook!


DavidS - Mar 08, 2009 11:19:54 am PDT #502 of 5827
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I thought the point of the midwife is that the house was so isolated. They had to have the best because they couldn't get to a hospital. Echo probably had a whole backup OB/Gyn training in there.


erikaj - Mar 08, 2009 11:24:41 am PDT #503 of 5827
Always Anti-fascist!

Maybe they were famous...Angelina flew her Ob-Gyn from LA to France, after all.


le nubian - Mar 08, 2009 11:40:42 am PDT #504 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

did she really? awesome.


beth b - Mar 08, 2009 12:39:50 pm PDT #505 of 5827
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

I haven't made it into the thread until today. I'm surprised at the length of some of the discussion. pretty much - Dollhouse is evil. Yes, I would call the sex rape -- however as echo/caroline remembers that might be only a small part of the whole of the evil that has been done to her. If She remembers all the skills and experiences plus how she got that way I can see a female batman-style superhero.

I like the show, but I'm not in love with it. But then buffy was my first show that I fell head over heels with. At this point I have a few questions ( What could happy little caroline college have done to get in so much trouble? Why is Paul obsessed? how Could echo's handler get involved in something he doesn't approve of? ) I'd like answers to , but I don't think they'll keep me up at night.

I actually liked fridays episode because is showed Eliza at her best -- she was two ( and maybe 3 different people if you looked at the rescue of the one guy) and I like capers.