Jayne: 'Cause I don't know these folks. Don't much care to. Mal: They're whores. Jayne: I'm in.

'Heart Of Gold'


Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers  

TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.


sj - Mar 07, 2009 10:12:10 am PST #482 of 5827
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I liked it. I didn't like the birth scene at the beginning -- anvils, as Steph said, and also? Who pays half a zillion dollars for a freakin' midwife? WTF?

Was she ever called by name in that scene? Because when I was watching it I was assuming it was the real her before she became an active.


Laga - Mar 07, 2009 10:13:49 am PST #483 of 5827
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

I thought maybe the midwife was delivering a secret baby.


Vortex - Mar 07, 2009 10:38:58 am PST #484 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Because when I was watching it I was assuming it was the real her before she became an active

I was wondering that, too, but then it did that "reverse memories" thing and she was in the machine.


Strix - Mar 07, 2009 10:52:09 am PST #485 of 5827
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

A million dollars? Ok, that makes it even worse. Cause, yo, I may not have had a baby, and I am not dissing midwives. but for a million dollars, I would have to be a secret-baby delivering virgin billionaire's sheik's alien bride and she would have to have some pretty excellent pain-free telepathy skills. Which did not appear to be the case.


SailAweigh - Mar 07, 2009 11:20:41 am PST #486 of 5827
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I'm wondering if the birth scene was supposed to be complementary to the addiction counselor scene in the original pilot script. The actives were supposed to have a certain number of pro bono jobs that were touchy feely to keep them from going ballistic. And, I'm guessing, to make us believe the Dollhouse isn't all bad because they allow them to work pro bono. But I could be misremembering the pilot script and drawing very way out conclusions.


Kevin - Mar 07, 2009 11:23:06 am PST #487 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

SailAweigh, I think you're right. I'd forgotten about that completely.


JZ - Mar 07, 2009 11:43:22 am PST #488 of 5827
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Like Sail, I just figured it was a pro bono job. So many bits and pieces of the unaired pilot have leaked out into the actual episodes that I forgot that the pro bono work hadn't yet; possibly the showrunners did too (or possibly it in fact had and we just haven't seen it yet because the order the eps are airing in has gone all wonky).

Even if it was pro bono, the Dollhouse is still pure undiluted evil. IIRC from the unaired pilot, the pro bono was all the doctor's idea and the PTB agreed to it only because she convinced them that it'd benefit them in the long run (the doctor seemed to care for the Actives themselves; the PTB didn't give a shit about anything except their own bottom line).


Kevin - Mar 07, 2009 11:47:36 am PST #489 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

Another scene in this episode which I think slipped under the radar - Adelle is on the phone to somebody, presumably her boss, who's giving her orders. If she's got a boss, it's a bigger operation than we know.

JZ, the episode order is nearly unwonky now. The next episode was shot as episode 6, but is now 5. Then episode 6 airs, then -- I think -- it's back to the originally intended order. Some episodes were knowingly shot out of order, which is the point we're about to get to.


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2009 11:49:22 am PST #490 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I really liked Victor in this episode. Much more than Paul. In fact, I was feeling mad at Paul's behaviour. The show has succeeded at getting me to separate my sympathies for the Actives and their bosses. I guess I should be behind Paul, but that part really isn't working. Even though I think the Dollhouse is evil incarnate, somehow his quest isn't grabbing me. And I like Tahmoh, so that's not my hurdle. He's just bitter and dead and I'm not sure why he has this little obsession.

Maybe if he started getting cozy with his next door neighbour.


Vortex - Mar 07, 2009 11:51:39 am PST #491 of 5827
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

I need to see that Paul has something on the Dollhouse besides the idea that it exists. The Caroline pictures came after he was already convinced, so where the hell did this absolute conviction come from?