And I am beginning to see Ward as this universe's version of Krycek, with a dash of Spike thrown in.

This works for me. PC's choice quotes, on the other hand, terrify me. "I'm sad it had to end in murder." Really? Really? I hope these people don't vote. (Although, if they do, it would explain a lot.)

Why do I have the suspicion that if Ward had been played by, say, Mickey Roarke from the beginning his ruthless murders wouldn't be excused as cries for help by a poor, misunderstood woobie?

well, that proves then point that pretty people can get away with a lot.

I see stuff like that and wonder how people can honestly think like that and then I remember that Charles Manson is getting married.

"I'm sad it had to end in murder." Really? Really?

That is my favorite line and I want to find some way to use it in something.

Ward is a fascinating character. For 3/4s of the first season he was a kind of gormless hero of the standard type. Now he's revealed as a near psychopath, and he has been the whole time. I'm going to have to rewatch the first season just to reevaluate the whole thing. You certainly can't accuse them of avoiding character development,

We finally just watched it. I have to say, adding Kyle MacLaughlan and Reed Diamond this season was BRILLIANT.

Nice twist regarding Skye's dad's real motivations for working with Whitehall.

Tim is wondering if Skye's dad was a doctor all along, or if he became one after the vivisection (which, Jesus Christ this show is dark) so that he could take revenge on Whitehall. Which I'm all in favor of.

Glad to see that Ward is working through his issues. Also glad to see that Ward is irredeemably evil.

Right? Maybe there's no redemption arc after all, and the show's decided to just let us follow a villain now. Should be fun.

I don't see how he can be redeemed after this. I'm 100% unsurprised he killed his family and returned to Hydra. I'm sure he has an ulterior motive in returning to Hydra (undoubtedly Skye-related, BIG CREEPER), and I'm sure Whitehall suspects that. But even so, even if his endgame is to help Skye, I don't see any redemption happening. And that's okay. He's WAY more interesting as an unrepentant bad guy.

I love it when the villains know they can't trust each other but are working together anyway.

edit: And Skye Dad's reason for vengeance is so visceral and understandable. Of course he would want to get revenge for his wife and get his daughter back. And of course Ward would be pissed about what his family did to him.

Too bad about the killing and mayhem, though. Poor Woobies /sarcasm

Quality villains make me happy. Hey, did anyone else have a Buffy flashback when they found the picture of Whitehall from the 40s and they had the "It looks just like him!" "No, it's the same person!" conversation? Because my first reaction was "It's the Mayor!"

I think the show's flashbacks to the 40s with Peggy Carter are leading in to the Agent Carter show nicely, without being glaringly obvious that they're pimping the show.

That is my favorite line and I want to find some way to use it in something.

I'd like to hear that in a Jane Austen movie, quite honestly. And not the zombie one they are doing, a non-supernatural one.