I generally give a show 3 episodes, so hopefully Joss will wow me on Friday.

Hasn't it had three eps? Pilot, Girlhunter, and Slapping Beyonce?

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I give a mild "Hey."

I generally give a show 3 episodes, so hopefully Joss will wow me on Friday.

Hasn't it had three eps? Pilot, Girlhunter, and Slapping Beyonce?

Hush, you! Sue me, I'm giving it four because it's Joss.

I generally give a show 3 episodes, so hopefully Joss will wow me on Friday.

Hasn't it had three eps? Pilot, Girlhunter, and Slapping Beyonce?

I've read reports that Joss (or maybe Eliza?) has said that it gets really good at (or after?) episode 6.

Now, I tend to be really annoyed when a creator has to go outside the creative vehicle (TV show, comic book [::coughDCcough::]) itself to tell the viewers/readers "No, really! The beginning may have sucked, but I SWEAR it gets better!"

Because the creator's damn JOB is to make it good from the start. I don't owe DC Comics my continuing $ for Final Crisis if issues 1-4 suck, but they keep saying #5 is good. Well, no. You don't get my money unless you actually produce a good product.

And with teevee, I tend to think, well, if episodes 1-5 are crap, then why don't you just ditch them and start with 6? And if your premise/backstory was so complicated that it took 5 shitty episodes to establish, UR DOIN IT RONG.

All that said, in this instance, I *do* understand FOX's penchant for destroying shows by ordering re-writes. So if episodes 1-5 suck because of FOX's interference, well, I'm less inclined to shake my fist at Joss.

But if episodes 1-5 did indeed suck b/c of FOX's interference, then I'm expecting episode 6 to be unfuckingbelievably good. It's bad enough to tell viewers to just wait until the middle of the season (only 13 episodes were ordered, right? That makes episode 6 the "middle," if so) for it to start to be good, because I think viewers would rather it be good from the start. But when you make such a promise, you really have to deliver on your promise.

And honestly? I'm starting to think that Joss can't.

In BtVS she entered a new school and Giles found her. In FF Simon and River, as well as Book and Dobson boarded Serenity and changed the crews lives irrevocably. I don't see DH having that.

The closest thing to a start-type event was Alpha sending the package to Paul at the end of the pilot (which he got in the second episode). Not much of an entry point there.

I'm expecting episode 6 to be unfuckingbelievably good.

I'm not sure it's possible for it to be good enough to redeem itself in the eyes of all the people who are disliking it now. I think the bar's just gotten too high.

I remember trying to get people to watch Dark Angel 's second season, when it started getting good and interesting, and featured Jensen Ackles.

(Irony was, Fox was this close to commiting a third season, then they abruptly cancelled it to roll out Firefly too early, so they managed to kill TWO interesting series.)

I like it, but that doesn't mean I think it's deep. I mean, it could be, but so far not really. But then, I've watched a million hours of L&O, where you know if it's halfway in, they got the wrong guy. So I'm much more insulted by "House's" Olivia Wilde/Foreteen obsession than Joss Whedon's Eliza obsession.

I like it, but that doesn't mean I think it's deep.

This is pretty much where I am. It may get deep, and I'm all for that, but right now I'm enjoying it on a shiny level.

Yeah, I'd be excited if it got deep, but considering a. I usually lead up to it with Keith and Rachel, I'm pretty knowledged up for the week by Friday at 8. and 2. Till Rescue Me comes back on a few weeks, I'm short a show where the wild plots are sort of a liability, but I like the actors and there is kinky(for TV) sex. my tastes are simple ones.