Here, here! Wheeeee!!
Wesley: Feng Shui. Gunn: Right. What's that mean again? Wesley: That people will believe anything. Actually, in this place, Feng Shui will probably have enormous significance. I'll align my furniture the wrong way and suddenly catch fire or turn into a pudding.
'Conviction (1)'
Jossverse 1: Emotional Resonance & Rocket Launchers
TV, movies, web media--this thread is the home for any Joss projects that don't already have their own threads, such as Dr. Horrible.
SailAweigh - Feb 22, 2009 2:03:31 pm PST #3 of 5827
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
Kevin - Feb 22, 2009 2:10:34 pm PST #4 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Rockin' shit up.
Sean K - Feb 22, 2009 2:34:58 pm PST #5 of 5827
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty
Yay new Joss thread!
Glamcookie - Feb 22, 2009 2:42:44 pm PST #6 of 5827
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister
Yes!
Pix - Feb 22, 2009 2:50:29 pm PST #7 of 5827
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie
Shiny new thread!
So does Dollhouse chat move here now?
Kevin - Feb 22, 2009 2:56:07 pm PST #8 of 5827
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.
Should do.
Scrappy - Feb 22, 2009 2:59:33 pm PST #9 of 5827
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
Ooh, top ten. Sweet.
Laga - Feb 22, 2009 3:40:19 pm PST #10 of 5827
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
Hi Everybody!
Liese S. - Feb 22, 2009 4:51:59 pm PST #11 of 5827
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."
Responding to sj in Minearverse:
I do see it as rape and not prostitution because I see the question of consent as perpetually nullified by the process of mindwipe. I agree as well that it borders on child abuse to me because of the null state between imprints.
I thought that I would see it as prostitution, Molly Millions style, but there is an important distinction from that (already disturbing) premise, which is the null state. Caroline having signed the contract, she essentially kills herself. Echo never reverts to Caroline in between jobs, she only exists as the imprint or as nobody.
In that sense, there is no one available to give consent. Furthermore, beyond the loss of free will in generalities, there is an equivalent loss of individual choice in specifics resulting in the imprint's belief that every client is her One True. That is far more insidious in execution than Molly's version of prostitution. That the imprint gives consent to the intercourse during the context of the job is irrelevant as that consent is manufactured based on false premises.
Steph L. - Feb 22, 2009 4:56:15 pm PST #12 of 5827
Apparently if you're enough of a power nerd, there is nothing that cannot be flowcharted.
I'm moving over a comment of sj's from Minearverse, now that we have this thread:
I see Echo as more of a prostitute than a rape victim. She didn't have much of a choice before signing that contract, but I'm sure that many prostitutes feel they have no other choice as well. Echo gave up everything, whether or not the contract is legally binding, she knew she was giving up her free will.
Regardless of whether such a contract could be legally binding (it can't), a person cannot -- let me reiterate that, CANNOT -- consent in advance to sex with someone they've never even met. Not even in a legal document (*if* such a thing were legal). That's not how consent works.
Throw in the mind-wiping, and every single assignment where "Echo" is pimped out and has sex with someone is actually Caroline being raped. *Caroline* didn't consent to have sex with adventure-sports-stalker guy (and, come to that, neither did "Echo"; a weird imprint who isn't real consented -- theoretically -- to have sex with him).
She *is* a prostitute, no question. She's also a prostitute who gets raped every single time an assignment sends her out to be a fucktoy for some rich entitled prick, because neither Caroline nor "Echo" ever had a chance to consent to the sex.
And *that*? Is rape.