I don't think they're making the statement they think they are, they being Zack Whedon and Melissa T.
How's it sit? Pretty cunning, don'tchya think?
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smonster - Oct 13, 2010 7:31:56 am PDT #2808 of 5827
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
Polter-Cow - Oct 13, 2010 7:52:50 am PDT #2809 of 5827
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
And Anton King, the director of the video, also credited with the "story."
I think I can see what they were going for, but it was just so baffling to watch. The way it was presented, I think, was not critical enough of what we were seeing, which gave a sense of implicit complicity.
Okay, I just made up that last phrase because it sounded cool.
§ ita § - Oct 13, 2010 7:54:05 am PDT #2810 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But it had a happy ending, see! The damaged doll gets a homeless man of her very own. I don't see why you guys are bitching.
Seska (the Watcher-in-Training) - Oct 13, 2010 7:58:39 am PDT #2811 of 5827
"We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh?"
The way it was presented, I think, was not critical enough of what we were seeing, which gave a sense of implicit complicity.
There were quite a lot of moments of that in Dollhouse.
Laga - Oct 13, 2010 8:26:50 am PDT #2812 of 5827
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.
If that was the story they wanted to tell, is there a way to tell it that would be less offensive? Is it because we associate those actors with human dolls that it's hard to see the girl in the box as not human?
§ ita § - Oct 13, 2010 8:29:25 am PDT #2813 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Is it because we associate those actors with human dolls that it's hard to see the girl in the box as not human?
I didn't see her as human at all. I figured if you come in a box with styrofoam peanuts, you're a robot. But that doesn't mean you're not an offensive story.
smonster - Oct 13, 2010 8:53:17 am PDT #2814 of 5827
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.
Is it because we associate those actors with human dolls that it's hard to see the girl in the box as not human?
The objectification (meaning "making into an object") of women or any other group is the first step to justifying abuse and murder. Women are replaceable! You can just get a new one when one wears out/gets old/is damaged! For more info on this trope across time, watch any one of Sut Jhally's "Dreamworlds" documentaries.
le nubian - Oct 13, 2010 9:23:09 am PDT #2815 of 5827
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
I don't see why you guys are bitching.
I know, right?
Laga, what is the story that they wanted to tell, though? I would say that the story itself is incredibly problematic, not just the visuals. If you wanted to tell a story about robots being discarded, then why not have quick clips to a woman doing the same thing to a male robot. I'm not sure I would have found it a whole lot better, but at least we wouldn't have only seen the boxing of a "woman."
Is the story about materialism? Well, I've seen that issue depicted better in ways that did not involve robots.
Is the story about robot love? Also seen depicted better in previous film/video.
DCJensen - Oct 14, 2010 7:26:00 pm PDT #2816 of 5827
All is well that ends in pizza.
Heartbeeps with Andy Kaufman and Bernadette Peters?
§ ita § - Nov 19, 2010 3:55:10 pm PST #2817 of 5827
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I didn't know there were lyrics to the Dollhouse theme song: vid.